Cops stand by 205 mph motorcycle ticket

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

They are using two fixed points. I can't really see how the angle from above would create a huge difference in terms of when the motorcycle passed the point. Well unless the angle was so bad the guy didn't have a clear view.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally posted by Vulcan@Sep 25 2004, 08:39 PM
It's called Stellar Parallax

No, it's not. Stellar Parallax is talking about the measurement of distance. The cop was measuring time. The distance isn't a variable. Stellar Parallax explains the reason that far objects move slower and close objects move faster when you are in a moving car.

"Parallax is the optical illusion that two stationary points change their position relative to each other, due to the motion of an observer."

If the timer hits the button at the start, nothing is going to make him hit it sooner or later again at the finish line.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101+Sep 25 2004, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlackArcher101 @ Sep 25 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vulcan@Sep 25 2004, 08:39 PM
It's called Stellar Parallax

No, it's not. Stellar Parallax is talking about the measurement of distance. The cop was measuring time. The distance isn't a variable. Stellar Parallax explains the reason that far objects move slower and close objects move faster when you are in a moving car.

"Parallax is the optical illusion that two stationary points change their position relative to each other, due to the motion of an observer."

If the timer hits the button at the start, nothing is going to make him hit it sooner or later again at the finish line. [/b][/quote]
From the cop's perspective he is measuring distance. I believe the bike was accelerating away from him at double the plane's speed and this could be a small factor in timing the bike. Have you ever tried to guess the winner of a horserace from the end of the track?

[BlackArcher101]

Originally posted by Vulcan@Sep 25 2004, 10:21 PM
From the cop's perspective he is measuring distance. I believe the bike was accelerating away from him at double the plane's speed and this could be a small factor in timing the bike. Have you ever tried to guess the winner of a horserace from the end of the track?

Sorry, from the cops perspective, he is measuring time. Distance is a whole different thing. Have you tried to guess the winner of a horserace from ABOVE the track? A lot easier than at the end don't ya think? The plane flies WITH the vehicle, so the difference in speeds would not be that great to worry about. If the bike was going 180mph like everyone says, then that's only 156 knots. A small plane cruises just below that speed. If it was a twin engine aircraft, it would probably be the same. The pilots also fly at a given altitude so they make it easier to track. I'm pretty sure from past experience they have learned this by now.

This is taken from the company that made the speed system.
"And because it measures average speed and requires no depth perception judgments, it is fairer to the driver than other forms of speed measurement."

http://www.vascarplus.com/Pages/How_it_works.htm

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101+Sep 25 2004, 07:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlackArcher101 @ Sep 25 2004, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vulcan@Sep 25 2004, 10:21 PM
From the cop's perspective he is measuring distance. I believe the bike was accelerating away from him at double the plane's speed and this could be a small factor in timing the bike. Have you ever tried to guess the winner of a horserace from the end of the track?

Sorry, from the cops perspective, he is measuring time. Distance is a whole different thing. Have you tried to guess the winner of a horserace from ABOVE the track? A lot easier than at the end don't ya think? The plane flies WITH the vehicle, so the difference in speeds would not be that great to worry about. If the bike was going 180mph like everyone says, then that's only 156 knots. A small plane cruises just below that speed. If it was a twin engine aircraft, it would probably be the same. The pilots also fly at a given altitude so they make it easier to track. I'm pretty sure from past experience they have learned this by now.

This is taken from the company that made the speed system.
"And because it measures average speed and requires no depth perception judgments, it is fairer to the driver than other forms of speed measurement."

http://www.vascarplus.com/Pages/How_it_works.htm [/b][/quote]
A report I read said the plane was going 100m/hr. and I dispute the opinion that there are no depth perception judgements. The guy was going too fast, but I hate the way the media is only too anxious to go along with the cop's version, when motorcycle experts say the RC51 is not capable of such speeds. More, Windsor Star headline "Man killed in crash: High powered bike slams into minivan" only to discover upon further reading that the minivan turned left into the bikes path.

[BlackArcher101]

87 knots for a plane is pretty damn slow. My guess is the bikes speed was inflated and the planes speed opposite. The guy timing the run probably had a slow reaction time.

Assumming the distance he was clocked in was 1 mile, and let's say he was actually going 180, then he would have covered that in 20 seconds. Now, if the timer was actually had an error of half a second, then a full second error of the entire run would add 10 mph to his actual speed. Hmmm... I thought it would be more. I guess to make the speed even higher than 190, you would have to have a shorter distance or a really bad timer operator, or a cop that loves to lie.

Do agree though with the media attacking bikers. Usually there's reason, as some people act stupid with them and others tend to remember that. Then it turns into a stereotype. I've come across my fair share of people that should have never bought themselves a bike, but did anyways. I've seen too many accidents and close calls.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 25 2004, 03:16 PM
I can't imagine going 1/2 the speed he is said to be going at.

You must not have a good imagination if you can't imagine what it's like to go 92.5 MPH (150 Km/H).

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

The article said he was going at 205 mph, the police said he was going at 205 mph, and there has been no respecable source saying, he was going slower so I will state he was going 205 mph. Thus making half the speed 165 km/hr, a speed which I have never traveled at, or really come close to.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 26 2004, 12:21 PM
Thus making half the speed 165 km/hr, a speed which I have never traveled at, or really come close to.

You live an exciting life I see. So how fast have you really gone? Max speed on the hwy?

[Looger]

no kidding, i routinely hit the speed governor in my car while passing people, 165 kph is not that fast.

but around 220-240 kph speed gets a little intense, like too fast for a human to react to stuff / car doesn't respond well enough.

speed takes on an exponential twist reaction-wise at some point, according to the way my brain processes anywho - this may kind of be what he meant.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101+Sep 26 2004, 06:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlackArcher101 @ Sep 26 2004, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 26 2004, 12:21 PM
Thus making half the speed 165 km/hr, a speed which I have never traveled at, or really come close to.

You live an exciting life I see. So how fast have you really gone? Max speed on the hwy? [/b][/quote]
Fastest I have gone would be 145 on the highway. After that I feel as though if anything did go wrong I would likely be a danger to those on the highway. I usually go 15 k over the speed limit on the highways. So around 120. I don't think that the speed at which I go at is any indication of the excitement that I live my life. I feel as though my life is exciting enough that I don't have to increase the chances that I will get into an accident on the highway. I guess it is just a difference of opinion. Going fast isn't the excitement or fun that I want in my life.

[BlackArcher101]

Well, I would have to say 145 is pretty close to half of what that guy was travelling at.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 26 2004, 10:21 AM
The article said he was going at 205 mph, the police said he was going at 205 mph, and there has been no respecable source saying, he was going slower so I will state he was going 205 mph. Thus making half the speed 165 km/hr, a speed which I have never traveled at, or really come close to.

I guess you've never been on an airplane then? Never looked out the window during takeoff?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by Reaper+Sep 26 2004, 07:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reaper @ Sep 26 2004, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 26 2004, 10:21 AM
The article said he was going at 205 mph, the police said he was going at 205 mph, and there has been no respecable source saying, he was going slower so I will state he was going 205 mph. Thus making half the speed 165 km/hr, a speed which I have never traveled at, or really come close to.

I guess you've never been on an airplane then? Never looked out the window during takeoff? [/b][/quote]
I should have mentioned that I was talking about on a highway in an automobile which I was driving. I thought that was a given,

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard+Sep 26 2004, 01:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mean Mr. Mustard @ Sep 26 2004, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I guess you've never been on an airplane then? Never looked out the window during takeoff?

I should have mentioned that I was talking about on a highway in an automobile which I was driving. I thought that was a given, [/b][/quote]
Um, when an airplane is taking off there is a decent amount of time where you travel on the ground at high speed. If you can't imagine what it would be like to travel that fast in a car then you really don't have much of an imagination.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Sorry I can't imagine driving that fast in an automobile, and especially on a motorcycle. My imagination does suck, ever since my imaginary friend told me I was boring it has gone downhill. That 18th birthday sucked.