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Old 09-18-2004, 07:18 PM   #21
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Originally posted by transplant99+Sep 19 2004, 01:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (transplant99 @ Sep 19 2004, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nfotiu@Sep 17 2004, 09:52 AM
Sadly, the polls that are based on people likely to vote show bush with a huge lead.

Man, I live in such a Bush neighbourhood. I'm tempted to put up a Kerry sign, but am scared that would lead to violence!
Well i live in an area dominated by Bush supporters too (mostly retired Floridiots that summer in the mountains).....but my better half is a staunch liberal/democrat and since i cant vote, she has the Kerry/Edwards sign already to fly.

I have zero problem with it myself, and should anyone around us have a problem with it, they can talk to me about it. [/b][/quote]
Floridiots...good one, lol.

It is mystifying (to use a troutman adjective) that some people are offended by campaign signs and bumper stickers. I can't relate to that at all.
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Old 09-18-2004, 07:47 PM   #22
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Although they are close in the polls in popular vote, Bush still has a big lead in the mystifying Electoral College system. Bush could win the same way as he did vs. Gore; losing the popular vote, but winning the Electoral College. And they call it Democracy.

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Yes, we call it democracy and it's hardly mystifying. I don't live in California, New York, Texas or Ohio. A candidate could win 5 or 6 states overwhelmingly and win the Presidency. That's precisely why we have the electoral college. It's to prevent a small group of populous states from dominating policy decisions and leaving the rest of us out of the process.
It's not a true democracy if every vote is not equivalent. Canada''s system is even worse in this regard.

If one candidate gets more votes across the country than another candidate, what does it matter where the votes came from? Why should citizens of larger states be disenfranchised? [/b][/quote]
I'll just ask, and I'm legitimately looking for answer versus being a smartass, if there has ever been a Canadian election where the party forming a government did not have the most votes in comparison to the parties it was competing against?

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Old 09-18-2004, 08:11 PM   #23
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Although they are close in the polls in popular vote, Bush still has a big lead in the mystifying Electoral College system. Bush could win the same way as he did vs. Gore; losing the popular vote, but winning the Electoral College. And they call it Democracy.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/special...EMPLATE=DEFAULT

Yes, we call it democracy and it's hardly mystifying. I don't live in California, New York, Texas or Ohio. A candidate could win 5 or 6 states overwhelmingly and win the Presidency. That's precisely why we have the electoral college. It's to prevent a small group of populous states from dominating policy decisions and leaving the rest of us out of the process.

It's not a true democracy if every vote is not equivalent. Canada''s system is even worse in this regard.

If one candidate gets more votes across the country than another candidate, what does it matter where the votes came from? Why should citizens of larger states be disenfranchised?
I'll just ask, and I'm legitimately looking for answer versus being a smartass, if there has ever been a Canadian election where the party forming a government did not have the most votes in comparison to the parties it was competing against?

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
No cow, but there have been elections where the certain parties have gotten completely screwed over by the First past the post system.

See conservatives under Kim Campbell - She had a much much larger percent of the vote (at least 25-30% if my mind isn't failing me), but got 2 seats which worked out to like .3% of the seats or something along those lines.

US system and the electoral college might have some flaws, but I think the severe misrepresentation in the FPTP system is even more insane.

And yes Cow I would much rather have a Minority Government than a 4-5 year dictatorship.
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