02-23-2006, 12:47 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Work
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I got it at visions, it was during the soundsaround sale so they had to match (and it was not last years model or a display). I think that they were having troubles selling the 46 because people either wanted the 42 or the 50.
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02-23-2006, 01:55 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Just keep an eye on the AACS issue, which is still ongoing.
(BTW, the AACS just came to an agreement yesterday, so that is not mentioned in the article)
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02-23-2006, 02:27 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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I wouldn't get too hung up on resolution on a 42 inch screen. HDTV on a good EDTV plasma looks excellent, and much better than it does on a cheap HDTV plasma, or poorer HDTV DLP.
The funny thing is many, many 720p and 768p displays that are HDTV take one frame of a 1080i picture and make a 540p picture from it. So the so-called hd tv is really only 540 lines compared to the 480 an EDTV displays. It is also the problem with a tv that only accepts 720p input. Most (if not all) HD boxes takes this lazy scaling approach as well.
That said, most all half-decent EDTV and HDTVs in that size-range look very good, and are far,far better than any SD TV you may be used to.
Things like black level, colour accuracy, motion blur, rainbows will all dictate which picture is nicer to look at in your house. Resolution is probably the least important factor for a 42" TV from 10 feet away.
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02-23-2006, 02:31 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Agamemnon
So far my main retailers that I've looked at are Futureshop, Bestbuy (I know, same thing), The Source, Sears, The Brick, etc. I'm sort of stumped as to a good place to actually buy the friggin thing at.
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Before you buy, you should check out Costco (in store) and costco.ca (different selection of TVs). Their prices are generally 5% to 10% better than retailers, and their return policy is top notch (bring it back, get your money).
Obviously the downside is that you need to be a member or go with a member (but you'll likely save >$50 on the TV purchase, so it's not a huge issue), and you need to transport the new TV home yourself.
I was just there today at lunch looking at HDTVs and they've got a decent selection (a couple DLPs, 4 or 5 plasmas, 4 or 5 LCDs), with the best prices I can find.
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02-23-2006, 02:43 PM
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
I wouldn't get too hung up on resolution on a 42 inch screen. HDTV on a good EDTV plasma looks excellent, and much better than it does on a cheap HDTV plasma, or poorer HDTV DLP.
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Would you be able to expand on that? Not to try and be argumentative; but you are the first one I've heard say that.
Could you give us a couple of examples of what you mean in those cases?
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02-23-2006, 03:09 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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The Panasonic 42" ED plasma is a very nice plasma, not as good as the Panny 50, but still good. I don't always trust consumer reports on things like this, but it follows with what I've seen. They rate the HD picture on the Panny ED better than the following HD models:Maxent, Proview, Samsung, LG. I don't have any reason to be biased here ( I have a 50" HD panasonic).
I like Plasmas and I like Directviews. Sports look better and Movies in low lighting look better than any of the other digital technologies to me. Lots of people like LCDs and DLPs, I think a good plasma has a lot of advantages over those technologies though.
All things being equal HD is better than ED, it just shouldn't be the first concern if you are going to be sitting to far away to see the difference on a 42 inch tv (about 10'+ IMO)
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02-23-2006, 04:31 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Don't get Ed. I mean Why?
Toshiba 52" 16:9 DLP projections (which is really the same thing as LCD projection). 1898 boxing day sale. I love it. Sound sarround.
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02-23-2006, 04:37 PM
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Fair enough. I haven't seen the Panasonic myself so I can't comment on it.
The one thing to look at though is the price. That one retails for $2800 (I know it's on sale for less right now.) For one thing that's well over the price range mentioned. My caution on EDTV was in regards to the ones that sell for the $1400-$1800 range. A $1400 Sparkomatic EDTV plasma vs the 4:3 Sony previously mentioned; I'd go with the Sony. 
I guess the bottom line is to have a look, and see that all the TV's are connected the same way.
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02-23-2006, 05:16 PM
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My face is a bum!
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Originally Posted by mbrown
...(which is really the same thing as LCD projection). 1898 boxing day sale. I love it. Sound sarround.
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No its not. At all.
Plus, no offense, but I wouldn't take TV advice from someone that can't even spell the name of the store they got it from.
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02-23-2006, 07:24 PM
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Originally Posted by Agamemnon
What do you guys think about Memory Expresses TV's?
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I know Viewsonic makes good CRT computer monitors.
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02-24-2006, 07:28 AM
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No its not. At all.
Plus, no offense, but I wouldn't take TV advice from someone that can't even spell the name of the store they got it from.
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well however it is spelled, big whoop. A DLP is a micro crystal display. Almost the exact same thing as an LCD projection. 'DLP' is the patented name from Texas instruments for micro crystal displays.
Yes, yes it is almost the very same thing. I'm sure I might have made a typo here too, feel free to point it out.
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02-24-2006, 07:44 AM
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Originally Posted by mbrown
A DLP is a micro crystal display. Almost the exact same thing as an LCD projection. 'DLP' is the patented name from Texas instruments for micro crystal displays.
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Just did a quick google search:
LCD and DLP technologies differ greatly in how the image is generated.
DLP (Digital Light Processing) technology utilizes a small digital micromirror device (DMD) to tilt micromirrors less than the size of a human hair in width toward or away from a white lamp inside the DLP television. This process creates a light or dark pixel on the face of the projection screen, depending on how much light is reflected by the mirror. Each mirror can turn on or off several thousands of times per second, so this technology can reproduce 1024 shades of gray. There are four main components in the system: the DMD chip, the color wheel, the light source, and the optics. Light from the lamp passes through a color wheel filter and into the DMD chip, which will switch its mirrors on or off in relation to the color reflecting off them, producing an image.
Whether spread across a flat-panel screen or placed in the heart of a projector, all LCDs are pretty much the same. A matrix of thin-film transistors (TFTs) supplies voltage to liquid-crystal-filled cells sandwiched between two sheets of glass. When hit with an electrical charge, the crystals untwist to an exact degree to filter white light generated by a lamp behind the screen (for flat-panel TVs) or one shining through a small LCD chip (for projection TVs).
I'm afraid I have to agree with Hulkrogan. Although DLP and LCD projection TV's produce a similar result (good quality HD picture for less money than plasma), I would not so so far as calling them "Almost the exact same thing."
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02-24-2006, 08:11 AM
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There is a difference between LCD and LCD projection.
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02-24-2006, 11:48 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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I don't like the looks of either of the ones from FS.
The Proview says its aspect ratio is 15x9 (which is fairly uncommon).
The Samsung doesn't have HDMI, which may be an issue in the future.
The Benq you listed looks intriguing. It has 3:2 pull down recovery wich helps de-interlace if the source TV signal originally came from film.
(I think Acer & Benq are sister companies; in 2001 Acer CM (Communications & Mobile) rebranded to become Benq).
Viewsonic has a solid reputation with Monitors.
The Acer is also missing HDMI.
SO given the choices listed, I'd pick the Benq or Viewsonic, google to make sure there are no known issues, then ask to look at them. Memory Express has a 7 day, no questions asked return policy, so I'd give it a workout and see if you like it.
Anyone else with an opinion?
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—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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02-24-2006, 11:56 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
I don't like the looks of either of the ones from FS.
The Proview says its aspect ratio is 15x9 (which is fairly uncommon).
The Samsung doesn't have HDMI, which may be an issue in the future.
The Benq you listed looks intriguing. It has 3:2 pull down recovery wich helps de-interlace if the source TV signal originally came from film.
(I think Acer & Benq are sister companies; in 2001 Acer CM (Communications & Mobile) rebranded to become Benq).
Viewsonic has a solid reputation with Monitors.
The Acer is also missing HDMI.
SO given the choices listed, I'd pick the Benq or Viewsonic, google to make sure there are no known issues, then ask to look at them. Memory Express has a 7 day, no questions asked return policy, so I'd give it a workout and see if you like it.
Anyone else with an opinion?
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THANK YOU! This is what I'm looking for people, keep the advice rolling in!! I want to buy this thing this weekend, your input could make a difference in one man's life!! 
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02-24-2006, 01:58 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Sony's and Sharps are supposed to be the best of the LCDs. Can you find a Sharp in your price range? I know you can find them online in the US close to $1,000. I think the good Sony's are probably out of your price range. My friend bought a 32" Samsung (I think a better model than they one you referenced), and neither of us think the picture is that great. Pretty obvious motion blur being the biggest issue.
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02-24-2006, 08:31 PM
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Just been looking in the flyers. It looks like a lot of the TV's say stuff like "final clearance", etc. I also know from when I worked selling electronics that the new model year would start coming in early spring.
With technology evolving; it might be an idea to wait a couple of months. I know it's almost cliché to say that electronics will be obsolete the day after you take them home, but this is the most dangerous time of the year.
I just don't want to see you kicking yourself.
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