Flames will not succeed with Murray Edwards

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Where are you getting the ownership interest information? Someone else posted a few days ago that Murray had a minority stake. I had believed he had the largest stake within the ownership group but would like an actual source.

It’s possible things have changed recently but a while back I heard this from one of the Flames execs.

[The Fonz]

When in the hell did Murray Edwards ever have anything to do with the Phoenix Coyotes?

[Goriders]

Is this a good thread to complain about Don Maloney?

[tfi racing]

Murray Edwards may or may not be the problem. Either way, you are correct...

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Alvin Libin is, like 95 years old.

I was at his table at some charity breakfast event like 15 years ago. He was like 147 back then. Got a great heart institute though that saved my life and made it crappier for the rest of ya!

Oddball thread. He ran the Coyotes?

[Aarongavey]

He is too malleable to whatever the GM wants to do. When Treliving wanted to compete now and sell off all the futures for players to compete he let the organization do that. When Conroy came in with a tear it to the ground rebuild he let the GM do that. Probably needs to be more assertive on the hockey ops side.

[Locke]

Can we get Murray to be our EBUG? Then he could really help the team!

[devo22]

I find these threads fascinating. People are obviously clamouring for a rebuild, but some seem to miss that the Flames have been doing nothing else since Conroy took over. Sure, you can find Maloney's words concerning, and you might worry about the Flames missing the right time to trade the likes of Kadri and Coleman. But all you really have to do is look at Craig Conroy's trade history as Flames GM.

Jun 27, 2023
To CGY: F Yegor Sharangovich, 2023 3rd
To NJ: F Tyler Toffoli

Nov 30, 2023
To CGY: 2024 5th, 2026 3rd
To VAN: D Nikita Zadorov

Jan 31, 2024
To CGY: F Andrei Kuzmenko, D Hunter Brzustewicz, D Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, 2024 cond. 4th

Feb 28, 2024
To CGY: D Artem Grushnikov, 2024 2nd, 2026 cond. 3rd
To DAL: D Chris Tanev

Mar 6, 2024
To CGY: D Daniil Miromanov, 2026 1st, 2025 3rd
To VGK: D Noah Hanifin

Jun 19, 2024
To CGY: D Kevin Bahl, 2025 1st
To NJ: G Jacob Markstrom

Jun 27, 2024
To CGY: 2025 2nd
To WSH: F Andrew Mangiapane

Jan 31, 2025
To CGY: F Joel Farabee, F Morgan Frost
To PHI: F Andrei Kuzmenko, F Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

I've left off a couple of minor moves (flipping late round picks with the Flyers during the draft, trading Emilio Pettersen and burning a 5th for Nikita Okhotyuk), but those were the major moves. Please, point me to the moves that are not those of a franchise in the middle of a rebuild. The Flames might not use the dreaded R word, but the trades speak for themselves. They've shipped out numerous cornerstone players while adding a number of young roster players that fit the time line (like Frost and Bahl), a heap of draft picks (including 3 firsts) and prospects like Brzustewicz. They've pretty much burned it to the ground under Conroy, but overperformed last season. You can argue that the likes of Lindholm and Hanifin forced their hands, but they didn't have to trade them for picks and prospects. Treliving proved that very point when he didn't trade Tkachuk for futures, but tried to keep the "win now" window open (and failed miserably).

Again, I get the concerns. I won't pretend like I didn't care about Maloney's interviews and worried about the direction going forward. But at the end of the day, we should focus on the actual moves that are made and judge the front office by them instead of words. I have no doubt that they'll move Andersson at some point (and probably for a good haul, given his recent play) and add even more futures. We'll see about Kadri and Coleman, but even if they aren't moved: every major move Conroy has made suggests we are rebuilding.

[FlamesNightmare]

Murray Edwards was on the NHL Board of Govenors because he owns the Calgary Flames. And had a say in discussions of the future of the Phoenix Coyotes. That's all I could find on Google.

I only mentioned it because some article I read joked that he had ptsd from his indirect dealing with Phoenix.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

What is the purpose of this thread other than to complain? The Flames can’t get rid of Edwards, so all this thread can do is create a sense of hopelessness.

Let's group buy his ownership

[BagoPucks]

So who should we all cheer for?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Where are you getting the ownership interest information? Someone else posted a few days ago that Murray had a minority stake. I had believed he had the largest stake within the ownership group but would like an actual source.

I understand he has the largest individual stake, which still could be a minority when the others are combined. And there’s been considerable consolidation as the ownership group aged. There are only 4 left.

But he’s in charge.

[Spurly]

Originally Posted by FlamesNightmare

What is wrong with Murray Edwards...

He does not want a long-term rebuild from what I've heard. They want to be a winning team and not finish in last place. And from what I'm hearing from Don Maloney it seems they are skiddish on trading Nazem Kadri.

The Flames need a direction to go. Whether it be a re-build or re-tool on the fly. Because I'm sick of being a mid-team, and we've been that way for a long time now.

Discuss please.

Maybe the question should be. What’s wrong with you? Do you think Murray, should put out a public announcement, and say. Ok people we are rebuilding we are going to lose a lot of games, so don’t waste your money coming to watch any games, I will put out a bulletin when you should come back.
Maybe he should take the number off Kadri back, and replace it with a for sale sign. Think about it man Murray Edward’s isn’t a billionaire because he is stupid. Without him we may not even have a team. Is that what you would prefer? Why would ownership or management show their cards on what they are doing. Like them or not they are professionals who, know their job, and how to do it. You must be very poor at Poker bud.

[FlamesNightmare]

Originally Posted by Spurly

Maybe the question should be. What’s wrong with you? Do you think Murray, should put out a public announcement, and say. Ok people we are rebuilding we are going to lose a lot of games, so don’t waste your money coming to watch any games, I will put out a bulletin when you should come back.
Maybe he should take the number off Kadri back, and replace it with a for sale sign. Think about it man Murray Edward’s isn’t a billionaire because he is stupid. Without him we may not even have a team. Is that what you would prefer? Why would ownership or management show their cards on what they are doing. Like them or not they are professionals who, know their job, and how to do it. You must be very poor at Poker bud.

Well I know we are in a re-build even though they haven't said it officially. I just want some announcement like "Hey, don't worry fans we gonna go through a tough transition (rebuild), but rest assured we are gonna be contenders in the near future!" That to me is direction.

It just seems like ownership is mum to the situation. And maybe putting Craig Conroy in a tough spot if ownership is not on board with either doing a full rebuild or do a re-tool on the fly.

And I don't play Poker. It's gambling, and gambling is a losing game. House always wins!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Complaining about the complaining is actually a worse form of posting than the original complaining.

These people are starting a discussion (which, while redundant, is at least directed at the team and not at how other people post) and participation isn't mandatory.

Pointing out that its redundant adds absolutely nothing, let alone when a dozen people feel compelled to say the same thing.

That said, I realize im complaining about the complainers of the complainants so I'll leave it at that.

[troutman]

Murray Edwards was an owner when we won in 2004. It was in!

[MolsonInBothHands]

Rico Fata should buy the team.

[Spurly]

Originally Posted by FlamesNightmare

Well I know we are in a re-build even though they haven't said it officially. I just want some announcement like "Hey, don't worry fans we gonna go through a tough transition (rebuild), but rest assured we are gonna be contenders in the near future!" That to me is direction.

It just seems like ownership is mum to the situation. And maybe putting Craig Conroy in a tough spot if ownership is not on board with either doing a full rebuild or do a re-tool on the fly.

And I don't play Poker. It's gambling, and gambling is a losing game. House always wins!

So you don’t think ownership and management, talk everyday? You don’t think they have an ongoing plan? A plan that they don’t and shouldn’t have to advertise, so they don’t look like the canucks. If you need direction, get somebody to show you the way to the corner store. These guys are probably just a little bit smarter than you.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Complaining about the complaining is actually a worse form of posting than the original complaining.

These people are starting a discussion (which, while redundant, is at least directed at the team and not at how other people post) and participation isn't mandatory.

Pointing out that its redundant adds absolutely nothing, let alone when a dozen people feel compelled to say the same thing.

That said, I realize im complaining about the complainers of the complainants so I'll leave it at that.

I'm certainly trying.

The number of times I reply vs the number of times I almost reply is on a steep decline as I honestly can't have the same argument over and over and over again.

Exhausting.

Personally, I'm just going to chill and watch it unfold as ...

I see they've already been rebuilding.
Conroy is extended so a lot of the chaos last week has been put to bed.
The team has been prudent in asset management in the last 2.5 seasons.
They've drafted in the first round two years in a row and headed for three.
They drew a line in the sand on term and dollars for Andersson that appears to have him on the block.

All that's left for me (other than drafting well) is when the team pulls the trigger. And without any actual knowledge of the team driving too hard a bargain I will trust they have a level and will move at least Andersson when that level is met.

The rest is just people complaining about the same thing without any actual information day after day after day.

I don't see the joy in that, never will.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm certainly trying.

The number of times I reply vs the number of times I almost reply is on a steep decline as I honestly can't have the same argument over and over and over again.

Exhausting.

Personally, I'm just going to chill and watch it unfold as ...

I see they've already been rebuilding.
Conroy is extended so a lot of the chaos last week has been put to bed.
The team has been prudent in asset management in the last 2.5 seasons.
They've drafted in the first round two years in a row and headed for three.
They drew a line in the sand on term and dollars for Andersson that appears to have him on the block.

All that's left for me (other than drafting well) is when the team pulls the trigger. And without any actual knowledge of the team driving too hard a bargain I will trust they have a level and will move at least Andersson when that level is met.

The rest is just people complaining about the same thing without any actual information day after day after day.

I don't see the joy in that, never will.

If you count young prospects picked up in trades (basically only adding Hunter B) and where they were drafted this is the Flames draft record since 2023

2023 - 4 picks in the first 3 rounds
2024 - 6 picks in the first 3 rounds
2025 - 4 picks in the first 3 rounds

Projected for assuming no future trades for picks or prospects (prospects could move the 23-25 numbers

2026 - 5 picks in the first 3 rounds

19 picks in the first 3 rounds over a 4 year period is a franchise record. There has never been a 4 year period where they have accumulated that many picks in the first 3 rounds. Suspect Conroy adds to that number before the end of this year. Probably also adds to the 27 and 28 numbers too.