This league kind of sucks..

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Denver? Not exactly a hoops hotbed.

Toronto built an NBA champion with bold moves tear sacrificed its future. They are now reaping what they sowed. Don’t see how that’s ’rigged.’


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Sorry, but are you saying you think that 23 free throws (19 consecutively) for the Lakers in one quarter versus 2 for the Raptors happened solely because of trades the Raptors had made?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just wait until a Stanley Cup OT goal is scored and then gets called back, or doesn't, because of something like what happened tonight.

No one remembers Brett Hull's winner for Dallas?


Anyway, after reading this thread, I was expecting something terrible and like 5 minutes of play, but really, if this was against the Leafs, everyone would have loved it.



Coleman touched it with his glove, deflecting the puck to a teammate (although it most likely wasn't on purpose) that allowed the Flames to get possession and score a goal directly resulting from that.

[tonygp]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

NHL officiating has always been the league's weak link but by the book it was the right call to overturn. At the end of the day it's just one of 82 games and every team will have a few losses during the season based on a crummy rule or poor officiating. Flames also aren't the only team that has been jobbed in the Stanley Cup finals as Sabres fans can attest. It's just the way things go in sports sometimes and it sucks to be on the wrong side of it but I don't understand the need for this thread as it's the kind of woe is me thread I would expect on an Oilers, Canucks, or Leafs forum. The team blew a 2 goal lead at the end of the day and have nobody to blame but themselves for losing the game. One good thing about being a Flames fan is that I feel we conduct ourselves better than some other Canadian fanbases. Lets not change that and become a bunch of whiners that blame everyone else for the state of our team.

It was not the correct call. It was at least ambiguous whether Tavares touched the puck with his stick after Coleman touched it with his glove, negating the hand pass so the call on the ice should have stood.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

NHL officiating has always been the league's weak link but by the book it was the right call to overturn. At the end of the day it's just one of 82 games and every team will have a few losses during the season based on a crummy rule or poor officiating. Flames also aren't the only team that has been jobbed in the Stanley Cup finals as Sabres fans can attest. It's just the way things go in sports sometimes and it sucks to be on the wrong side of it but I don't understand the need for this thread as it's the kind of woe is me thread I would expect on an Oilers, Canucks, or Leafs forum. The team blew a 2 goal lead at the end of the day and have nobody to blame but themselves for losing the game. One good thing about being a Flames fan is that I feel we conduct ourselves better than some other Canadian fanbases. Lets not change that and become a bunch of whiners that blame everyone else for the state of our team.

I think it's a fair criticism to say the calling off of goals over things that nobody even knew happened, had zero impact on the play, and require a 5 minute stoppage for ultra slow mow replays has sucked some of the excitement out of scoring goals.

Here is an easy fix. If you challenge and are overturned the other team is awarded an extra goal. No team is going to challenge anything unless it's incredibly obvious. Unfortunately the only way the league will do it is if McDavid gets credit for those goals league wide. It's so stupid that they would probably consider it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think it's a fair criticism to say the calling off of goals over things that nobody even knew happened, had zero impact on the play, and require a 5 minute stoppage for ultra slow mow replays has sucked some of the excitement out of scoring goals.

That happens pretty well every time a goal is called back by an offside challenge where a player is maybe millimeters offside. I don't like that either but it's the current rules. At the end of the day Coleman touched the puck with his glove. It is what it is.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That happens pretty well every time a goal is called back by an offside challenge where a player is maybe millimeters offside. I don't like that either but it's the current rules. At the end of the day Coleman touched the puck with his glove. It is what it is.

If you are that strict on enforcing the rules exactly as written then there will be 500 slashing penalties called a game. I would trade the two times a year a horrific offside is missed for the 5-10 times per year every team has a goal called off over being .5mm offside or this insane interpretation of what a hand pass is.

The intent of the rule is to prevent jumping ahead of he blue line to actually gain an advantage. These rules are full on skate in the crease level now.

[Bingo]

I do think they need to rethink this ... find ways to keep goals not lose them.

Maybe they should have a eye in the sky official that can kill plays the second he sees a call missed (off side, etc).

Then you don't get that goal scored that gets taken away.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

If you are that strict on enforcing the rules exactly as written then there will be 500 slashing penalties called a game. I would trade the two times a year a horrific offside is missed for the 5-10 times per year every team has a goal called off over being .5mm offside or this insane interpretation of what a hand pass is.

The intent of the rule is to prevent jumping ahead of he blue line to actually gain an advantage. These rules are full on skate in the crease level now.

I mean they're really not enforced exactly. The issue is the challenge. Then the angels on the head of a pin are counted.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

armageddon is coming IMO

You are already seeing it in Canadian rinks

What do you mean by this?
Winnipeg is a problem yes, but outside of that attendance is strong in Canadian markets. Calgary is down but likely due to the team.
Is your premise that officiating is causing a decline in attendance? Any evidence of that?

[Jiri Hrdina]

For me the bottom line is
- The call was correct by the book
- But penalties like this that call back what are pretty legitimate goals, doesn't seem great
- For last night's games the Flames were outright awful in the 3rd and didn't deserve to win the game regardless of this call.

[BigT112]

The NHL doesn't want fans to have fun. It's getting so far up it's own a** that it's rivalling baseball at this point. Tradition is cool but it should never prevent progress or even the desire to try new stuff. Let the players have a personality, cleanup the rule book to be less vague which will allow more goals. It's about making a fun and entertaining product and the NHL seems incapable or unwilling to do that. Combined with raising prices for literally everything in life, it does not bode well for the NHL sustainability. People can get more bang for their buck elsewhere.

Doesn't help that the league is run by a cabal of cautious, egotistical and small men.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’ve been distant from pro sports in general lately. Everything is overpriced, the product is becoming generic across the board, the players and owners make way too much money, and everything is a walking talking advertisement. It’s become corporate crap.

I don’t think this is an NHL issue, honestly. These leagues are not true leagues, they’re entertainment businesses. They’re not in the business of providing a fair and consistent product, they’re in the business of promoting and showcasing their talent to make as much money as possible from them.

I’m also just getting to the age where I’ve accepted that I can’t control the outcome of sports so there’s no use in getting overly upset about it. It sucks that pretty much every team I cheer for rarely has success but what can you do?

I just enjoy the wins now and don’t get too wrapped up in the losses. It’s not worth it.

It doesn't matter if Stone Cold Steve Austin on two bad knees wouldn't last a minute against The Rock, its the entertainment that matters. That basically ages me and sums up my feeling of professional sports these days. You hit it on the head, they are all just sports entertainment, not truely competitive sports leagues. At least in NA, I don't really pay attention to Premier league Football or cricket.

The rules are there to give structure, but really seem to be bendable depending on who the league likes. McDavid is the absolute for holding the stick, but he's entertaining so he's held to a lower standard. I think the NBA was one of the worst in their treatment of "travelling" but all the leagues (maybe not Golf) turn a blind eye when they want for the sake of entertainment over true competition.

Once I started watching hockey like I watched the WWF.. er WWE.. then it got a lot easier to just accept that the Flames are not The Rock, we're the 2nd tier jobber sent out to make the "real stars" look good.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That happens pretty well every time a goal is called back by an offside challenge where a player is maybe millimeters offside. I don't like that either but it's the current rules. At the end of the day Coleman touched the puck with his glove. It is what it is.

So if the puck was six inches higher and it hits his arm just above the wrist and below the elbow then its a good goal, right? How frigging ridiculous is that.

[Yeah_Baby]

Honestly what annoys me the most is the fact you can call a time out just to decide if you're going to stop the play even longer with a challenge on missed stoppage.

Doesn't make for a great product!

[CliffFletcher]

Do people think other leagues are any different when it comes to officiating? Or that any of them were better 30 years ago?

I don’t see any evidence reffing is getting worse. The only thing that has changed is we have better views and replays than fans used to have available to them, and far more platforms and coverage to complain about bad calls.

Maybe someday we’ll have the technology to do away with refs altogether. Until then, you just have to accept that human judgement and error are part of the game.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

What happened tonight had zero effect on the Flames scoring that goal. Literally multiple passes and hockey plays occurred after the “hand pass”. Just a garbage rule that needs to be looked at and changed in my opinion.

Should give the refs more leeway. Like the “kicked in” goals. If it doesn’t directly impact the play don’t call it.

[Baaarrden]

I do agree that if it had happened the other way around, people, especially on this site, would obviously feel differently about the refs making that call.

However, I do also agree with the general sentiment in this thread that calling back a goal for something as trivial as what happened is definitely not helping the game. For a play that was almost certainly unintentional and really had minimal bearing on the goal since the puck went to a few different players afterwards before going into the net, it's a shame that such a review results in such a negative impact on what was becoming a very intense and exciting third period. The review basically sucked the life out of the game as a whole and I never found any part of the rest of the period anywhere near the same intensity as what it was leading into the no goal.

For a league that always seems to be searching for how they can make the game more exciting, I think this is definitely something they need to look into and get rid of. As much as I hate agreeing with McDavid, I feel like some of his complaints to the media over the last few months about missed calls earlier in plays resulting in overturned goals is pretty fair in my opinion.

[Badgers Nose]

Officiating has not kept pace with the game in the NHL. Almost every fan base can cite a bad call, some like us feel it even cost them a championship.

I think ref discussions and ‘the situation room in Toronto’ should be mic’ed up so we can hear the rationale in real time. Or at worst, have a mini replay of what was said.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

armageddon is coming IMO

You are already seeing it in Canadian rinks

We don't usually agree on things but on this we do, all these leagues are in trouble going forward, the majority of 20-30 year olds don't care as much about hockey/have other things going on and the older crowd 40-65 (majority of CP from what I can tell) will only be around for so long/ will lose interest in product due to reffing and everything turning into a money grab

[topfiverecords]

They need to get rid of the hand pass all together. 99.9% of the times it happens, the puck is coming towards a player mid air and they aren't even passing, they're redirecting it.

Why can a player on a powerplay, stand at the blueline and use his hand to knock a clearing attempt down to keep it in the zone, to gain advantage, but if another player on the same team gets the puck due to a hundred arbitrary variables, it's too much advantage and we have to stop the play?

Or at least modify it so that you still can't be on a two on one, flip the puck up in the air and swat it over to the other player. Or when laying on the ice in the crease, swipe the puck with your hand to a teammate.

The really obvious ones, where you either already had control of the puck, or you hand passed a dead puck can stay. Swatting at a clearing attempt to keep it in the zone isn't a pass. If it hit Coleman's stick instead of his pinky tip, would that constitute a pass?