[Rumour] Francis: All contract talks on hold for Flames

[Reggie Dunlop]

Murray Edwards has seen enough.

[J pold]

Happy about this.

[kehatch]

I don't agree with the approach, but I get it. The Flames don't have the prospect pool or young player base to support a quick rebuild. Meanwhile they have some large long term contracts to veteran players.

I think the plan has been to be as competitive as possible while prioritizing the draft. But it isn't working with the make up of the current team. So instead, shuffle some players out and hope you find chemistry.

I am not a fan though. Retooling under pressure was what got us into this mess to begin with (aka Tkachuk trade). Not sure how you trade Hanifin and Lindholm for players that make us better short and long term. We tried with the Toffoli trade and that was during the off season when the Flames weren't in a position of weakness.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

I’m happy to see they can adapt to what they see in front of their eyes, rather than continuing to stuff a square peg in a round hole.

Adapt? You make decisions on players and contracts while you have control. The player has all control now. This is a Treliving level mistake. Get the player signed before the season starts or get the player traded. Don’t let the problem sit there and get worse.

[dino7c]

Problem being terms only have cap space at the deadline. There was no moving these guys in the summer

[Redrum]

Better way way way way way way late than never.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Another indication this team has no plan and is flying by the seat of their pants. Sad to see. Had more hope for Conroy and would have hoped he learned from Treliving’s mistakes.

Actually, I would say the opposite. Means they are formulating a plan going forward.

And this wouldn't be Conroy's decision.

[FlamesAreOne]

Great news if true. Burn it down.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Adapt? You make decisions on players and contracts while you have control. The player has all control now. This is a Treliving level mistake. Get the player signed before the season starts or get the player traded. Don’t let the problem sit there and get worse.

There was little to no market for players with cap hits during the summer.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Fantastic news to me. Whether a rebuild is coming or not, this team can't win. They erased all doubts when they failed to show up and compete at the Heritage Classic - and outdoor game that most of them will never experience again, against the bitter rivals, with it being an absolutely 'must win' game due to both teams' losing streaks, in front of the largest crowd they are likely to ever see again, and in knowing that this will be the most viewed game that they are likely to ever play again. The came out flat, they stayed flat, and showed you that they are not too interested in competing.


This team has shown everyone who they are. I am glad that Conroy is at the very minimum going to keep as much flexibility as possible in order to either fix this mess, or just burn it to the ground and rebuild.


Personally, the frustration for me is over. I am not going to watch this game wondering why they are so bad now. I am going to watch them as if this is year 1 of the rebuild. Focus on the youngsters, and when the vets do something, I will just assume it will drive up their value. Starting tomorrow night vs Dallas, hockey will become much more enjoyable again.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Another indication this team has no plan and is flying by the seat of their pants. Sad to see. Had more hope for Conroy and would have hoped he learned from Treliving’s mistakes.

Huh?

The plan should change if you have expiring contracts and a rough start.

I see it as a good sign.

We can question the plan to keep the team intact going into this season, but even that was affected by a very tepid trade market with very little by way of player moving.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nine games should not change the course of the team’s plan. That’s a problem. If it takes only nine games to make you change your mind in your strategic plan, then your plan was crap to begin with.

I don't think they have an exact plan yet, they are formulating it. But in the meantime, all contracts on hold.

The plan may well be to stay the course until closer to the deadline, and then see. Players likely cannot be traded prior to them anyway. But no use signing players in the mean time.

[Muta]

The most annoying thing is that the fanbase is screaming for a proper rebuild (oooooo scary word), yet the Flames simply cannot acknowledge that word, like it's some sort of Kryptonite. Just ####ing own the word 'rebuild' and what it entails. It's inevitable.

It is obvious Murray really does just want his playoff money, despite the long-term damage he's doing to this team. I don't blame Conroy at all here, it's now obviously higher than that.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Great news if true. Burn it down.

It stated not a burn it down, but a retool.

[Muffins]

Kinda depends on what they see as a re-tool.

Trading them for other players to "shake things up" and trying to stay competitive this year and next keeps us in this mess most likely.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...eatens-season/

Not a tear-it-down rebuild as most are clamouring for, but a significant re-tooling that would almost certainly involve trading the aforementioned Flames pillars.

which 4th liner are we going to trade Lindholm for to retool on the fly?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nine games should not change the course of the team’s plan. That’s a problem. If it takes only nine games to make you change your mind in your strategic plan, then your plan was crap to begin with.

Or you see it as 91 games with the same core, and that Sutter may not have been the full problem.

Now you have a team that has to play .600 to get a sniff of the playoffs and you have 4 expiring contracts.

You have to be nimble.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would assume that the team entered the season with a Plan A, B and C, given how absolutely unpredictable they have been season-to-season, and with the number of high-value UFAs.



Plan A was obviously "compete, or at least see where this team stands"
Plan B is either a retool, or perhaps it is simply a rebuild that they don't want to announce yet, since NOBODY throws the towel in after playing 9 games.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

which 4th liner are we going to trade Lindholm for to retool on the fly?

That's optimistic!

Being a fan is fun huh?

[Macho0978]

Don't care what they target in trades, just for once make moves that get you a top pick. The return in the trades is important, but secondary to the value of a top 3 pick.