[Signing] Sabres sign Owen Power (7 years, $8.35m AAV)

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

on the flip side, Flames didn't go long-term with Matthew Tkachuk and he walked right out of the team

Tkachuk chose to set himself up for that. Between the term of the deal and the huge QO, it's pretty clear that his agent was trying to get him to UFA as fast as possible. When the time came, he used that leverage to get the big-money deal he wanted on a team he wanted to play for.

When a player has a specific plan and a clever agent, there's not a lot a GM can do to stop him.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Yeah and it's a real shame because he was begging to sign a long term contract and dedicate his career to the Calgary Flames.

Not 100% certain, but from what he said and what Tre said....he would have. Just had a few other contracts standing in the way that shouldn't have.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Tkachuk chose to set himself up for that. Between the term of the deal and the huge QO, it's pretty clear that his agent was trying to get him to UFA as fast as possible. When the time came, he used that leverage to get the big-money deal he wanted on a team he wanted to play for.

When a player has a specific plan and a clever agent, there's not a lot a GM can do to stop him.

They could've gone this route, which Tkachuk said he wanted to do, but sure.. let's pretend Treliviing isn't to blame for that

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

They could've gone this route, which Tkachuk said he wanted to do, but sure.. let's pretend Treliviing isn't to blame for that

How is Treliving to blame for the fact that Tkachuk wanted to reach UFA as fast as possible, and stuck to his guns?

I keep asking people to show me this mysterious mind-control ray that all GMs are supposed to be using on players, and nobody has ever done it yet.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

More Power to him.

Your Owen that pun to your superior sense of humour.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Tkachuk chose to set himself up for that. Between the term of the deal and the huge QO, it's pretty clear that his agent was trying to get him to UFA as fast as possible. When the time came, he used that leverage to get the big-money deal he wanted on a team he wanted to play for.

When a player has a specific plan and a clever agent, there's not a lot a GM can do to stop him.

I'm pretty sure that Tkachuk wanted a 7-year deal and they went with a bridge so they could keep Frolik, who was terrible that year and ended up getting traded anyway

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Sean Monahan. People hate it, but the last three years of that contract were bad. 2 years were good and 2 were very meh.

True. But in some ways it seems he was miss-managed with his injuries in the sense the flames were letting him play injured for long stretches. They could have shut him down on LITR and acquired another player to fill in for him. If they did that, those last few years could have been looked at very differently. I understand that hindsight is 50/50 but the experience I’m with Monahan makes me think management should not be forcing players to play injured through whole seasons.


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[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

How is Treliving to blame for the fact that Tkachuk wanted to reach UFA as fast as possible, and stuck to his guns?

I keep asking people to show me this mysterious mind-control ray that all GMs are supposed to be using on players, and nobody has ever done it yet.

Well, these quotes have been shown several times, in several threads. It is no ones fault you haven't seen them.
https://dailyhive.com/calgary/matthe...ar-deal-flames

“During this process this summer, I kind of thought back to three years prior when I was going through my contract situation then,” said Tkachuk. “Throughout the whole process after my entry-level, I was just like ‘No, [I want to sign for] six, seven, eight years. What are we doing?’ And nothing really came from it.”

Tkachuk held out for most of the preseason prior to the start of the 2019-20 regular season, inking a three-year deal with the Flames worth $7 million per season on September 25.

“In the middle of training camp, [Treliving] was like, ‘The only way we can keep this team together is [signing you for] three years.’ I was like ‘Okay, this isn’t my ideal situation.'”

Matthew Tkachuk not being in Calgary is Brad Treliving's fault 100%, your scenario is entirely made up based on nothing

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Matthew Tkachuk not being in Calgary is Brad Treliving's fault 100%, your scenario is entirely made up based on nothing

My scenario is based on his actions. Yours is based on his words. There's an old saying about which one of those speaks louder.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

They could've gone this route, which Tkachuk said he wanted to do, but sure.. let's pretend Treliviing isn't to blame for that

*Tkachuk said he wanted to sign long term 3 weeks before he requested a trade too. He has also spoken out many times about how he didn't like playing in Canada.

[dino7c]

Seth Jones is a young player with a huge deal that doesn't look to be working out...although he was 26 when he signed it so maybe that is too old?

[Erick Estrada]

With this trend of handing out long term deals to young guys (which I agree with), there's going to be a shift in the coming years where teams simply can't afford to overpay the veteran year old UFA's like they used to. Unfortunately the Flames are kind of caught at the end of the current trend of overpaying 29/30 year players.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Good example. That’s going back quite a few years though. Anything in the last 10 years that anyone can think of?


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Darnell Nurse

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Well, these quotes have been shown several times, in several threads. It is no ones fault you haven't seen them.
https://dailyhive.com/calgary/matthe...ar-deal-flames

Matthew Tkachuk not being in Calgary is Brad Treliving's fault 100%, your scenario is entirely made up based on nothing

One thing about Matty - he plays the media game well. What did he want for that 6 year contract? He effectively got 4 anyway.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Darnell Nurse

This is honestly the best example so far IMO.


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[#-3]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Well, the Flames locked up Monahan to a long-term deal and ultimately ended up paying a 1st to get rid of the deal. Although, you could say a lot of that was because every part of his body got injured at some point

The Flames paid a 1st for $6M cash, there were a lot of ways to work with the salary cap that were not even tried that year.

You can't tell me a $1M Lucic with a $6M cap hit couldn't have been sent to a cap floor team for less than a first. We all know the organization forewent a bunch of LTIR credits against the cap by choice. They chose to give that first away, for money, and it's hard to say if that was even a money saving choice in the long run, because the roster spot that will not be filled by that pick might need to be filled by a more expensive FA in the future.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Seth Jones is a young player with a huge deal that doesn't look to be working out...although he was 26 when he signed it so maybe that is too old?

I think by the time he signed it, he was already over-rated - everyone outside of Chicago thought that deal was insane, and there was almost no chance he was going to worth it?

[OutOfTheCube]

Jake Sanderson contract kind of set the tone for any type of longer term Power contract. Little bit more due to the "1st overall" pedigree and there you have it.

Nice to have the core locked up for the foreseeable future. Just need a goalie to step up!

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

*Tkachuk said he wanted to sign long term 3 weeks before he requested a trade too. He has also spoken out many times about how he didn't like playing in Canada.

I agree that Tkachuk may have been full of hot air when he said he wanted to sign long term, but bridging him instead of putting the 7 year contract in front of him and seeing what happens wasn't the right move. Some will say, "well, hindsight", but when you have a Tkachuk apparently wanting to sign long term... just seems like a catastrophically stupid move.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

My scenario is based on his actions. Yours is based on his words. There's an old saying about which one of those speaks louder.

I think it's pretty well established looking at Treliving's body of work that he would rather overpay role players and bottom pairing/bottom 6 guys than pay top dollar for his best players and young talent. So MT's account of how things went certainly seems to fit Treliving's MO.