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Old 04-07-2023, 01:29 PM   #21
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When the team quits on the coach it's usually a coach problem.
Wait, the team has quit? Team? What a ridiculous narrative. I've seen 1 guy quit. Probably the coach though
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Old 04-07-2023, 01:29 PM   #22
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At this point the players won't change but please change the PP units and get Ritchie off splitting up the talent makes the units even worse.
If all they are going to do on the PP is rim it around to the D and let them fire it on net I think Ritchie does add value standing in front of the net screening the goalie.
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Old 04-07-2023, 01:33 PM   #23
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At this point the players won't change but please change the PP units and get Ritchie off splitting up the talent makes the units even worse.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, don't let Muller touch the PP anymore!
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We don't need someone to stand in front of the net we need guys moving and creating flash screens and tips and just being annoying.

They are literally playing a basketball 5 out strategy with no movement it's truly bizzare.

Muller and Ritchie should be benched from the power play.

Huberdeau Lindholm Toffoli Mangiapane and Hanifin should be tried. I like Weegar but he has a lot of blunders on the blue line for some reason.
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We don't need someone to stand in front of the net we need guys moving and creating flash screens and tips and just being annoying.

They are literally playing a basketball 5 out strategy with no movement it's truly bizzare.

Muller and Ritchie should be benched from the power play.

Huberdeau Lindholm Toffoli Mangiapane and Hanifin should be tried. I like Weegar but he has a lot of blunders on the blue line for some reason.
Even if you wanted a net front body, Lucic is preferable - he is a smarter player than Ritchie and he knows what to do even if his body doesn't cooperate.

Last game they put Huberdeau in front of the net again. That's maybe his worst spot. He has to be half boards or behind the net. Lindholm and Toffoli need to be right and left side shots. Put Kadri in front of the net if you like.

I don't know about points. Zadorov is an interesting thought - he has a great wrister from the high slot, but I can't recall his slapper. And he's dangerous handling the puck at the blue line. Hanifin has no shot but he's fast enough to make up for mistakes and he is pretty good at avoiding the checker and moving a little deeper. Stone of course has a shot, but can't walk the line or pass, and he's not good defensively. Hanifin, Weegar and Andersson have fairly similar skills and limitations, so they're stuck that way.
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Zadorov's slapper gets blocked 100% of the time which is why you rarely see him take one.
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Why would you put your best passer in front of the net?

Put a mountain there that the D can’t move and the goalie can’t see around.
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Old 04-07-2023, 02:56 PM   #28
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Wait, the team has quit? Team? What a ridiculous narrative. I've seen 1 guy quit. Probably the coach though
Yeah, they've gone 5-1 in their last 6, and 6-2 since the big loss to LA. I think they've decided to play hard for the most part, give or take a Kadri.
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Why would you put your best passer in front of the net?

Put a mountain there that the D can’t move and the goalie can’t see around.
Huberdeau's size stats don't say so but he looks big, so maybe Sutter is going off that. But he's obviously better off making passes from the side or from behind the net. I see no reason why he can't find Lindy like Tkachuk and Gaudreau used to.
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Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli
Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapane
Pelletier-Kadri-Duehr
Dube-Ruzicka-Lewis
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Weegar-Andersson
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Just once… please! At least that first line!!!!!
Shhhhhhhh. 4D chess player at work. Sutter is the bestest coach ever! 8th place or bust, then you never know!!!
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Old 04-07-2023, 05:32 PM   #31
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Nick Ritchie is pointless in 6 of the last 8 games while playing in the top 9, both games he got points in where against the ducks. He has countless turnovers, late on the back check and basically doesn’t create anything but keeps playing over Pelletier for no reason. Sutter deserves to lose his job after terrible line up decisions for the whole season
Give it a rest.
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Old 04-07-2023, 05:55 PM   #32
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Yes because his work has been so stellar to date this season with the team in a pathetic snails race to make the 8th playoff spot needing help from other teams. This season is a failure on a lot of levels but head coach is right up at the top.
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I think it's goaltending 1, Kadri and Huberdeau 2 and 3, powerplay 4, overtime record 5 and Sutter and his stubbornness about 6.
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I think it's goaltending 1, Kadri and Huberdeau 2 and 3, powerplay 4, overtime record 5 and Sutter and his stubbornness about 6.
About right. And I would add that while I do feel Sutter needs to be held accountable for his questionable deployment decisions, he has done some things that has put this team in a position to win. Items 1 through 5 in your list don’t have a ton of redeeming aspects.
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Posters beating the Sutter drum in every thread is starting to become the norm it seems. I hate to be Kevin Lowe but how many cups has anyone here won?


Let the man work
Yes, Sutter did a great job coaching the Kings to two Cups, the most recent nearly a decade ago. But the game has changed a lot over that time. Opposition players are MUCH younger and faster. And officials are MUCH more likely to call obstruction type penalties such as hooking, holding, and interference, calls which tend to be drawn by young, fast opponents. The problem is that Sutter is stubbornly coaching like it’s still 2012, and the same strategy can’t possibly work in today’s NHL.

Unfortunately, Sutter has made it clear that he’s not going to change his approach to the game; he’s fixated on playing and rewarding slower, older players. In a competitive league/market, an organization has to adapt or die. And under Sutter, adapting is not an option.
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Nick Ritchie is pointless in 6 of the last 8 games while playing in the top 9, both games he got points in where against the ducks. He has countless turnovers, late on the back check and basically doesn’t create anything but keeps playing over Pelletier for no reason. Sutter deserves to lose his job after terrible line up decisions for the whole season
Nick Ritchie is a big bodied veteran. He may not do something spectacular to score, but he’s going to follow bosses orders and do what he has been trained to do for the last 5 years, and other than Kadri vs Chicago, we need low event opportunity because we have the coin flip in our favour as long as we follow the rules
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Wait, the team has quit? Team? What a ridiculous narrative. I've seen 1 guy quit. Probably the coach though
Calm down. I didn't say the team quit. I was responding to the post below that insinuated that half the team quit.

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There's definitely been some annoying lineup decisions but name a coach that wouldn't struggle when half the team are a bunch of babies that quit on you and the goalies forget how to stop pucks
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I think it's goaltending 1, Kadri and Huberdeau 2 and 3, powerplay 4, overtime record 5 and Sutter and his stubbornness about 6.
I think it's the following.

1. Goaltending
2. Sutter
3. Huberdeau
4. Overtime
5. Powerplay
6. Mangiapane

Kadri has had a career normal season. 20 goals and 50-60 points is about what the team should expect from him for the first 4 years of the contract so I barely think he's even an issue outside of the feud with the coach. IMO Mangiapane's lack of production is right behind Huberdeau for guys that didn't produce as expected which hurt the team. I just think this is the worst season I have seen from Darryl Sutter as head coach. He misread the locker room and has made numerous questionable personnel decisions. He set the bar high for himself and this is not remotely close to what he did last season or in his first tenure with the team as head coach.

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I honestly think that early goaltending is almost entirely at fault here and things snowballed.
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Wait, the team has quit? Team? What a ridiculous narrative. I've seen 1 guy quit. Probably the coach though
I agree that most players are hustling. The fact that so many players have not quit, but are still not seeing success shows issues with the coaching. Specifically, there's too many major defensive breakdowns and Huberdeau is accomplishing next to nothing. Sutter clearly needs more flexibility in the system.
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I think it's goaltending 1, Kadri and Huberdeau 2 and 3, powerplay 4, overtime record 5 and Sutter and his stubbornness about 6.

A coach’s job is to get the most out of the team through systems, adjustments, deployments, and motivation. While I agree with items 1-5 I think the coach and staff should share some of the responsibility for deficiencies in those areas.
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