Coaching, leadership and a top 5 list

[flylock shox]

The Flames are actually in a great place to do some wheeling and dealing, with a collection of desirable players on mostly decent contracts who could be moved for pieces of value.



I wouldn't be heartbroken to see just about anyone other than Rittich, Gio, Gaudreau, or Tkachuk go. That leaves players like Backlund, Lindholm, Brodie, Hanifin, Monahan, and a few others who would be attractive to other teams and who could command a solid return. A couple of smart moves could really set this team - which remains very young and developing - up very well moving forward.


What's been apparent since last year's all-star break though is that the roster as currently assembled doesn't have the right build, even though there are lots of very good individual pieces. A significant shuffle is probably needed at some point to get them over the hump, even it it doesn't happen soon.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

The Flames are actually in a great place to do some wheeling and dealing, with a collection of desirable players on mostly decent contracts who could be moved for pieces of value.



I wouldn't be heartbroken to see just about anyone other than Rittich, Gio, Gaudreau, or Tkachuk go. That leaves players like Backlund, Lindholm, Brodie, Hanifin, Monahan, and a few others who would be attractive to other teams and who could command a solid return. A couple of smart moves could really set this team - which remains very young and developing - up very well moving forward.


What's been apparent since last year's all-star break though is that the roster as currently assembled doesn't have the right build, even though there are lots of very good individual pieces. A significant shuffle is probably needed at some point to get them over the hump, even it it doesn't happen soon.

Strange that you want to keep Gaudreau and trade Lindholm.

[Poe969]

1. Blow it up and only keep a handful of current players
2. Get a new coach, there are some great options out there.
3. Explore new GM options. You can't just fire BT without having someone better to take over.
4. Do what it takes to get multiple first round picks in a deep draft. It's the perfect year to be sellers and to stockpile picks and refill the cupboard with good prospects.
5. Give chucky the C and have a team that plays with heart

[Aarongavey]

The number one need is to hire a new GM. If you finally get that position right the rest should follow.

[FaFaFlamey]

They need:

1. A new coach - hire one of the two elite available
2. Johnny traded
3. Toughness (Gary Roberts type that grinds, fights, scores, hates losing)
4. RW

I’m sure the GM is still around in the fall. I hope he has the green light to blow things up s little. I was disappointed not much happened after last years playoffs. He’s taken a “wait and see” attitude. After this year, he will know.

[EldrickOnIce]

Team not ready on puck drop is 100% on the players.

1. Blow it up

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 868904

2nd overall last season. Pretty much the same team.

So why are they a very poor team this year?

Minus 22 in goal differential suggests that this is the real team, and that last year was the mirage.


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[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Answers in red.

The real MVP.

Laviolette should be hired immediately. Sorry gio but tkachuk does deserve the c.

See ya ####in later Johnny gaudreau. I would also but noah on the bus with you to keep you company.

Anyone who will give us anything of value for hamonic is an idiot but I look forward to winning that trade.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Answers in red.

I agree with all of those things except one. Monny just seems to have one gear, and I think it’s starting to grind.


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[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Strange that you want to keep Gaudreau and trade Lindholm.

It's largely based around who I think is replaceable and who is not.



Gaudreau has a skill set that, when I look around the league, I see very few other players having. Let him go and we're not likely to find another one like him. Tkachuk is the same.


Gio is a mainstay on the back-end and a fantastic role model for younger players, so I wouldn't deal him either unless the return was really something.


Lindholm is a very good player, but strikes me as being a lot like other very good players in the league. Granted there aren't a host of players as good as him, but certainly many more in the Lindholm mould than who are like Gaudreau or Tkachuk.


End of the day though, it's all academic: the deals available to Treliving are total unknowns to us fans, so it's impossible to really say who's tradeable and who isn't. That's just my short list of players I see as building blocks I'd like to keep in place.

[Red]

Originally Posted by 868904

2nd overall last season. Pretty much the same team.

Worst 2nd overall in decades, if not ever. They were a very flawed team last year too. Showed down the stretch and in the playoffs.

This team is not very good. Only 3 good Dmen and mostly a very average forward group. Hanifin and Kylington give up way too much. It's comical watching the Flames work so hard for each goal they score while we give up freebie goals left right and centre. Just so many really bad defensive breakdowns. At least make the opposition work for it.

[MisterJoji]

It’s highly unlikely Tre is going to do a tear down rebuild with the team still in a playoff spot. The best we’re looking at is a blockbuster hockey trade between 2 teams. I feel like the highest probability of a Gaudreau trade would be to Philly. Shake up the roster and trade:

Monahan: 6.375 until 2023
Gaudreau: 6.75 until 2022

Couturier: 4.33 until 2022
Voracek: 8.25 until 2024

13.125 million out, 12.58 million in.

Couturier (46 points) is better than Monahan (38 points) especially defensively. Gaudreau (41 points) is better than Voracek (40 points), has a much better salary and is younger.

Voracek’s contract is a bit of an albatross so I could see Calgary getting another asset, or money retained to offset that aspect.

I don’t know, just spitballing.

[kyuss275]

If they are going to strip Gio of the C, they might as well trade him ( which i'm not opposed to). Don't think any players in the room would want to take the C from him unless it was Gio's decission.

[Young Guns]

Not sure I’m ready to punt Ward already. In my opinion he has actually been doing a okay job and has gotten more out of the players than Peters. Everyone is always so quick to blame the coach and that is a easy thing to do.

However the power play is just awful to watch. Everyone on the ice including the other team waiting at Center ice while Johnny skates into our end to do a lap around our goalie (waist 20 seconds) then we pass it back to him and watch him come blazing down the ice only to cough it up entering the opponent’s zone. Change up our entry already!!!!

Johnny is playing scared. He stands back from the opponent as far as possible and with one hand on his stick tries to knock the puck away. The whole time maintaining the proper distance away as not to get touched or bumped into. I feel for whoever is on his line because it is up to them to forecheck. Same thing in our own end as most time Johnny will not sacrifice his body to get the puck out or block a shot. Teams have clued into him and realize they just need to scare him now and he will turn the puck over.

Giordano....Hard to pile on him but saying to take the captaincy away is ridiculous! He does need to stop trying to flick the puck at the goalie from the blue line all the time though. Its not working and most times after doing it we turn the puck over. Wind up and let that sucker rip

Lucic....when you screen a goalie what’s the point of jumping out of the way as soon as we shoot so the goalie has a clear view of the shot?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Our RW depth is more embarrassing that our C depth in Iggy years.

[DropIt]

Why bother with a new coach? He will dog ahit after 2 weeks on this board.

We need to stop letting the players dictate the culture and get an experienced coach to run the show. If players dont like it they can pack their bags.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

It’s highly unlikely Tre is going to do a tear down rebuild with the team still in a playoff spot. The best we’re looking at is a blockbuster hockey trade between 2 teams. I feel like the highest probability of a Gaudreau trade would be to Philly. Shake up the roster and trade:

Monahan: 6.375 until 2023
Gaudreau: 6.75 until 2022

Couturier: 4.33 until 2022
Voracek: 8.25 until 2024

13.125 million out, 12.58 million in.

Couturier (46 points) is better than Monahan (38 points) especially defensively. Gaudreau (41 points) is better than Voracek (40 points), has a much better salary and is younger.

Voracek’s contract is a bit of an albatross so I could see Calgary getting another asset, or money retained to offset that aspect.

I don’t know, just spitballing.

Older players with more money? On a team that generally is on the bubble and misses the playoffs?


Very bad trade for Calgary

[tkflames]

If you make a coaching change...its not to save this season. Its yo make sure you dont have a 4 week hangover to start next season.

Not sure it's the right call to make a change...but dont wait until the summer to decide.

[Manhattanboy]

Our defence is a catastrophe.

Unless we get some up and comers for guys like Monahan and Gaudreau I see the Flames sliding into the basement of the conference for the foreseeable future.

[Abatedmean]

One thing I think back to, and before everyone starts screaming Bennington, but I think it was the year before they won the cup. They were fighting for a playoff spot and ended up selling at the deadline anyway, got some assets, used them to trade for ROR and the following year they won.

The way I see us replicating at least a portion of that is to sell our defenders on expring contracts, maybe not Brodie if he is willing to sign a decent contract extension with us before the year. Then use the picks combined with some other assets and actually improve this team.

Or, just for fun, sell everyone not named Chucky, Lindholm, Andy, Juuso, and start a rebuild so we can at least have fun watching our prospects in the minors since last night was no fun watching out team get absolutely slapped and not even care about it.