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Ashasx · 08-02-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Willi Plett

Timing is everything on this and it doesn’t indicate when the poll was taken. After just coming off of a very disappointing season the low scores for us are somewhat expected. Yet, we all know Treliving tried hard to make trades sooner.

Even now, we are waiting to see what the Hanifin deal looks like and how Tre manages the cap space.

Personally, the fact that he recognized and acted on major shakeups heightened my confidence. Remember the fool me once, fool me twice and just keep fooling me we had prior to this?

Trading Hamilton was gutsy and not well received by some. That said I sincerely believe they needed to. Really like the shake up so far.

Poll was less than 2 weeks ago

Macindoc · 08-02-2018, 11:34 AM

I wonder how much it would have changed if they had taken it today...

The Boy Wonder · 08-02-2018, 11:40 AM

This is quite ridiculous as I believe canadian fan bases are much more critical of their teams management than most american teams.

I would look at the contracts that Tre has here and there are at this point only 1.5 "bad" contracts Stone and Frolik.

Otherwise this team is constructed with very good contracts and looking good going forward

FlamesFanTrev · 08-02-2018, 11:41 AM

The interesting thing for me:

Edmonton Oilers
Public Opinion: 2.1
Fan Base: 1.9

WTF? There is no way that the Fan Base is that closely routed in reality. And public opinion seems way too high.... must have disqualified any votes from CP members.

Textcritic · 08-02-2018, 11:53 AM

With four Canadian teams occupying the bottom four positions on this ranking, I would be interested to see which are the lowest ranked US teams. I am assuming the Arizona, Carolina, and NYI are slotted here?

sureLoss · 08-02-2018, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

With four Canadian teams occupying the bottom four positions on this ranking, I would be interested to see which are the lowest ranked US teams. I am assuming the Arizona, Carolina, and NYI are slotted here?

Islanders 22
Carolina 17
Arizona 15

dustygoon · 08-02-2018, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VilleN

Why bother polling the general public? If you don’t identify as a fan you probably know absolutely nothing about the team and are most likely guessing.

I also agree that Canadian fans are likely to be much more volatile in their opinions on management.

I’m not a fan of Vancouver nor Edmonton nor Ottawa, but I am pretty sure I have a very good understanding of how to rank the uselessness of those front offices.

Textcritic · 08-02-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Islanders 22
Carolina 17
Arizona 15

Well. That is curious. Who came in at #25–27?

sureLoss · 08-02-2018, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well. That is curious. Who came in at #25–27?

Chicago, Wild, Detroit from highest to lowest

dobbles · 08-02-2018, 12:19 PM

No surprise Detroit is that low. Holland has been running an Edmonton-esque caliber operation for a decade now.

VilleN · 08-02-2018, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dustygoon

I’m not a fan of Vancouver nor Edmonton nor Ottawa, but I am pretty sure I have a very good understanding of how to rank the uselessness of those front offices.

Yeah, you do and I’m sure most hockey fans can tell you that. But the general public aren’t necessarily hockey fans. Did they poll hockey fans or a random sample of people? If it’s the former then I don’t think you can call that group ‘general public’.

Textcritic · 08-02-2018, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dustygoon

I’m not a fan of Vancouver nor Edmonton nor Ottawa, but I am pretty sure I have a very good understanding of how to rank the uselessness of those front offices.

Of course, but how confident are you in your evaluation of the front offices in New Jersey? Dallas? Chicago? Philadelphia?

I think the point is that most fans know most about their own team, a considerable amount about a few teams, but very little about most teams. Under these conditions I very much doubt that a report of fan confidence in management groups for most teams about which whom most fans know very little is all that meaningful.

Bingo · 08-02-2018, 01:21 PM

This won't sound good no matter how I put it down, but I always roll my eyes at polls filled out by those that probably don't have enough information to even answer the questions.

I'd put this group up to any task around the Flames, many for the league as a whole, but if you step the Calgary view off of this site (and a few others) what do you get? Development opinion? Cap management?

Then put it across the league and have what 50,000 Torontonians opining about this?

savemedrzaius · 08-02-2018, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rtown

So just so I got this straight the Leafs management is second best in the league because they won a lottery and Tavares decided he wants to go home? I’ll give full marks to Tampa but the Leafs? C’mon.

I think right now Leafs are Top 5 in the league when it comes to management. As a fan I've never felt this confident in a management group. It actually still feels strange to see good things happening to the Leafs and I totally still expect the bottom to dropout eventually.

And I think Tavares coming home is a big deal and not some gimme. No one thought he would sign in Toronto. The Toronto area has tons of homegrown superstars and none of them ever sign with Toronto while in their prime.

And yeah they won the lottery. Next season they will also have so many young guys like Hyman, Nylander, Marner, Brown, Kapanen，Johnsson, and Dermott all playing for the Leafs who were all developed by the Leafs.

djsFlames · 08-02-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rtown

So just so I got this straight the Leafs management is second best in the league because they won a lottery and Tavares decided he wants to go home? I’ll give full marks to Tampa but the Leafs? C’mon.

Yeah it's baloney. That team has been mismanaged for years. Just cause a superstar happened to grow up there and they backed up their truck full of cash to Babcock and whatever else was promised under the table doesn't make them well managed all of a sudden. The Leafs generally get to piggyback off the prestige/iconic status of the maple leaf for most things too which gives them a leg up on other clubs, yet they still can't compile a team that's more than first round fodder.

Ashasx · 08-02-2018, 08:49 PM

Under Shanahan I would certainly not say the Leafs have been mismanaged.

Jay Random · 08-03-2018, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by VilleN

Yeah, you do and I’m sure most hockey fans can tell you that. But the general public aren’t necessarily hockey fans. Did they poll hockey fans or a random sample of people? If it’s the former then I don’t think you can call that group ‘general public’.

You may be sure they polled hockey fans, as the overwhelming majority of random people polled would answer: (a) Don't know, (b) Don't care, (c) Stop asking me these incredibly stupid questions.

dino7c · 08-03-2018, 12:31 AM

Leafs because they sucked and won a lottery plus had a UFA who wanted to play in his home town..shrewd

ricardodw · 08-03-2018, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

You may be sure they polled hockey fans, as the overwhelming majority of random people polled would answer: (a) Don't know, (b) Don't care, (c) Stop asking me these incredibly stupid questions.

I see where all of the categories would be pretty meaningless to non-fans. Pretty much all the categories would fall into doing a good job for my city or not.

I would think that the factors influencing the general non-fans would be:

1) impact on the community, charities, Sedins / Subban giving huge donation to hospitals.

2) Competition for tax dollars

3) a bunch of guys getting paid millions to play a game.

4) The inevitable bad apples getting paid mega bucks and acting badly and getting caught.

5) Extended Playoff runs where the whole city including the non-fans have a party.

Calgary or any team goes 3 rounds and the non-fan meter would jump up even more radically than the fan meter.

There is a problem with this as after a long playoff run then the expectations for both fans and non-fans get raised so high. The Hawks that have to be one of the best run franchises for the last decade and 2 1st round exits followed by a playoff miss and they are suddenly in the lottery spot of management!!

tkflames · 08-03-2018, 11:41 AM

I would be curious to see where the Jets ranked last year with the same management team that is now 4th.

I would have placed flames management in the 10-15 range. Owners are willing to spend beyond the cap for a winning product and the GM is among the hardest working in the league to get work done. This might be the result of me having a proximity bias.

Interestingly enough, while I really like the Neal signing, this will likely end up defining Brad as a GM. If this turns into a buyout, that would be a tough pill to swallow given that Brower is on the books for 4/5 years of Neal. If "the real deal" up in the regular season playoffs, this may be a really difficult team for others to match up with and suddenly Brad is near the top of that list.