[News] Practice Notes Jan 18th

[AC]

Tkachuk has taken 27 minors (#1)
Bennett has taken 22 minors (#6)
Hathaway has taken 7 minors (#275), and 4 majors

For penalties drawn / 60 for players that have played more than 5 games:
Tkachuk is #1 with 2.92
Hathaway is #2 with 2.79
Gaudreau is #8 with 2.04

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggr...wnPer60Minutes

[AC]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I hate this narrative. He's drawn 5 penalties and taken 10. That's not helpful

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not sure where your numbers are from, but he's taken 10 minors, and drawn 5 (corsica.com). If he's taken 23 penalties he's taken the 5th most in the league

I think those numbers are wrong.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggr...penaltiesMinor

7 minors taken.
He has 44 PIMs, minus a 10 minute misconduct, and 4 fighting majors = 14 PIMs.

10 minors drawn.
7 roughing (Dumba, Dumba, Crouse, Scandella, Byfuglien, Haley, Quincey),
2 interference (Hayes, Domi),
1 hooking (Zaitsev)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I hate this narrative. He's drawn 5 penalties and taken 10. That's not helpful

I hate this narrative.

There is more to being a physical player than the 'penalties drawn' stat.

Hitting wears down defensemen - that's important in a game. Getting in scrums and standing up for your team-mates matters - whether it shows up in the stats or not.

Hathaway brings energy, physicality, and passion every shift. You won't find that by looking at the stats, so I would suggest you watch him play instead.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I hate this narrative.

There is more to being a physical player than the 'penalties drawn' stat.

Hitting wears down defensemen - that's important in a game. Getting in scrums and standing up for your team-mates matters - whether it shows up in the stats or not.

Hathaway brings energy, physicality, and passion every shift. You won't find that by looking at the stats, so I would suggest you watch him play instead.

Did you just give me the "watch the game nerd" line? I watch the game just like you thanks. What "narrative" am I pushing here? That losing Hathaway isn't a big deal?

[PeteMoss]

I assume this Hamilton > Hathaway stuff is advanced stat related (although Hamilton is fine), I'd just caution you're dealing with some small samples here. Both of these guys have played less minutes than Brett Kulak this year.

And really - they are very similar in terms of advanced stats when you look at linemates. When they play with Stajan they do well, when they don't they are terrible.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I think Hathaway has been one of the most effective 4th liners in recent memory. He's afraid of nothing.

Yep, he's been great all season long every single game and if he regresses like Bouma? So what, Treliving isn't about to hand him a three year deal like Bouma got.

Teams need players like Hathaway and he contributes so much to the team when he's in the lineup and should be played until his play falters. I don't see that happening with his work ethic.

And he's pretty good defensively and positionally. Hathaway absolutely contributes and I get really sick of people thinking bottom 6 players are easily replaceable. They're a big part of the team and having a guy who hits and battles on your fourth line rather than a Colborne type player makes a big difference IMO and can change the momentum of a game with one hit.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Did you just give me the "watch the game nerd" line? I watch the game just like you thanks. What "narrative" am I pushing here? That losing Hathaway isn't a big deal?

You used a ridiculous stat (penalties drawn) to downplay his effectiveness. Almost everyone else agrees that he brings much more to the table than penalties drawn - a stat with only a handful of data points (small sample size), not to mention being totally subjective (if someone retaliates next shift, or next period, does it generate a stat? (answer: no))

And on top of that, AC pointed out that you mis-quoted the (useless) stat in the first place.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Sorry I know I'll get piled on here, but it's not a huge loss. It's not going to make any difference. He's a 4th liner and Hamilton is more effective IMO anyways

Hamilton more effective? No way. Hamilton is a good fill in player, Hathaway is an every day NHLer as of right now and a better 4th line player than Hamilton that hits and does everything you want your 4th liner to do.

Hamilton is definitely a better third liner, I'll give you that. But there really isn't any room in our top 9 for Hamilton.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You used a ridiculous stat (penalties drawn) to downplay his effectiveness. Almost everyone else agrees that he brings much more to the table than penalties drawn - a stat with only a handful of data points (small sample size), not to mention being totally subjective (if someone retaliates next shift, or next period, does it generate a stat? (answer: no))

And on top of that, AC pointed out that you mis-quoted the (useless) stat in the first place.

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Even discounting the whole "rabbit's foot" factor, Freddie might be a better player overall but the only one on Hathaway's "pest" level is Tkachuk. And we need players like that, especially with our PP on the hot side now.

From the recent Tkachuk article on Flames from 80 Feet:

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I hate this narrative. He's drawn 5 penalties and taken 10. That's not helpful

I didn't bring up the stat. I was pointing out that the narrative he is some sort of super pest based on penalties drawn was terrible. I agree it's a pointless stat with a small sample size

because that was my point

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I think Hathaway has been one of the most effective 4th liners in recent memory. He's afraid of nothing.

And he makes everyone else afraid of him.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Hathaway affects the game temperature when filing in.
Hamilton fills in.

[cam_wmh]

Sorry to hijack fellas;
Is there an update to Hathaway's injury? Did anyone catch specifically what happened?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Sorry to hijack fellas;
Is there an update to Hathaway's injury? Did anyone catch specifically what happened?

he got absolutely cranked by Draisaitl, shoulder to shoulder.

lots of us are speculating as to the severity/type of injury. I think it's pretty bad based on his body language but others are saying it might just be day to day/week to week