Rate These Radical Rule Changes - Revised

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MattyC

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. - No. That's ridiculous.

But if the aim of the discussion is to increase scoring, then why not reward teams that take chances, and continue to push when they are in the lead. Much like rewarding teams that lose, but manage to score a set amount of goals.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

1. Put back the red line Absolutely not.

2. Remove or inverse the trapezoid. Remove it.

3. 3 on 3 overtime Yes.

4. Unlimited 4 on 4 overtime (full intermission after 3rd period) Unrealistic. No.

5. Eliminate shootout (and replace with what? ties?) Anything. Ties, sure, whatever.

6. 5 shooters instead of 3 in the shootout Doesn't improve it.

7. 3 points for regulation win Yes. 3-2-1.

8. Eliminate fighting (game misconduct) No.

9. Larger nets No.

10. Must serve full two minutes when penalized (regardless of # of goals scored) I think this would cause problems with officials being unwilling to call penalties so no.

11. Shorthanded team cannot ice the puck. Hmmm... yeah, okay.

12. Penalty ends when shorthanded goal is scored. No.

13. Delayed penalty, offending team must exit zone in possession of the puck to stop play. No.

14. Abolish over the glass penalty. Yes.

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. Absolutely not.

16. Eliminate blue lines, must bring puck across red line but once it's across, passes can go anywhere. No, this is crazy talk.

17. Players can ONLY change on the fly not allowed at whistles. Haven't considered it, but I think not.

18. Eliminate faceoffs after offsides, just clear the zone and allow the defending to bring puck across their own blue line. Or what, get a penalty? I'm actually kind of okay with this.

[troutman]

1. Put back the red line [no]

2. Remove or inverse the trapezoid. [yes]

3. 3 on 3 overtime [over my dead body]

4. Unlimited 4 on 4 overtime (full intermission after 3rd period) [won't fly with NHLPA]

5. Eliminate shootout (and replace with what? ties?) [ties please, after 10 min 5 on 5 O/T]

6. 5 shooters instead of 3 in the shootout [n/a]

7. 3 points for regulation win [not needed with elimination of loser points]

8. Eliminate fighting (game misconduct) [yes, the time has come]

9. Larger nets [no]

10. Must serve full two minutes when penalized (regardless of # of goals scored) [no]

11. Shorthanded team cannot ice the puck. [no - the tension and release we have now is perfect]

12. Penalty ends when shorthanded goal is scored. [no]

13. Delayed penalty, offending team must exit zone in possession of the puck to stop play. [no]

14. Abolish over the glass penalty. [no - it is literally a delay of game]

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. [no - why is offence worth more than defence?]

16. Eliminate blue lines, must bring puck across red line but once it's across, passes can go anywhere. [no]

17. Players can ONLY change on the fly not allowed at whistles. [no, line matching is important]

18. Eliminate faceoffs after offsides, just clear the zone and allow the defending to bring puck across their own blue line. [advertisers may not like less stoppages]

[Coach]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

But if the aim of the discussion is to increase scoring, then why not reward teams that take chances, and continue to push when they are in the lead. Much like rewarding teams that lose, but manage to score a set amount of goals.

Well personally, I don't think scoring needs to be increased. I think that the drop in production of top-tier players is due to an adjustment of how the game is played and how every player is expected to play rather than less scoring. I think scoring is more spread out amongst the team as coaches attempt to roll four lines vs stack top groups.

Teams aren't going to let a Brett Hull type cherry pick around the blueline anymore, because you can't win that way anymore.

Also I want the loser point gone so bad it's not even funny. I don't mind keeping the SO, but there should never be points for losing. Sorry, not sorry.

[UKflames]

I don't think I answered this three years ago, didn't know as much as I feel I do now, so my take.

1. Put back the red line No thank you, we are good at the stretch pass

2. Remove or inverse the trapezoid. remove, I like goalies roaming around

3. 3 on 3 overtime not a big fan but better than the shootout

4. Unlimited 4 on 4 overtime (full intermission after 3rd period) makes it tough on b2b nights, maybe two periods of 4on4, then tie.

5. Eliminate shootout (and replace with what? ties?) yes please, see above for alternative

6. 5 shooters instead of 3 in the shootout not sure what this adds because don't they keep going until there is a winner anyway?

7. 3 points for regulation win - 3 for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss

8. Eliminate fighting (game misconduct) keep it

9. Larger nets Not needed

10. Must serve full two minutes when penalized (regardless of # of goals scored) if we are complaining that teams are not scoring enough why create a situation where the game could be over after one penalty. Team A scores three goals in one penalty (slight exaggeration to make my point) what chance does team B have at coming back.

11. Shorthanded team cannot ice the puck. Do not like this idea.

12. Penalty ends when shorthanded goal is scored. No thank you

13. Delayed penalty, offending team must exit zone in possession of the puck to stop play. Would be very difficult to achieve if playing 6 on 5 when the goalie has gone for the extra attacker.

14. Abolish over the glass penalty. This is a silly rule and should be removed.

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. Silly idea.

16. Eliminate blue lines, must bring puck across red line but once it's across, passes can go anywhere. chaos reigns, can we have some order, rather than following lacrosse.

17. Players can ONLY change on the fly not allowed at whistles. Another unnecessary change.

18. Eliminate faceoffs after offsides, just clear the zone and allow the defending to bring puck across their own blue line.Doesn't this kind of happen already as long as it is not a deliberate off side??

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

1. 1. Put back the red line – 1) Doesn’t go far enough. The red line should be put back BUT two green lines running the length of the ice should also be added. Players should have to move the puck from outside the left green line, to the space between the green lines, to the outside of the right green line, and back, before being allowed to move from one zone to the next.

2. Remove or inverse the trapezoid. – 1) Not complicated enough. The trapezoid has always needed to be a bisected dodecahedron in order to capture the complexity of having a goalie skate behind the net.

3. 3 on 3 overtime - 1) not fun enough. OT should be like fun time in rec sports. Everyone on each team should get to play on the ice at the same time so no one feels left out. Goalies too, except that they cannot play goal.

4. Unlimited 4 on 4 overtime (full intermission after 3rd period) – 1) doesn’t go far enough. Should be mandatory unlimited overtime until each team has iced every possible combination of four players and every one of those combinations has played against each other. Whatever the score is at the end is the final, even if it is still a tie.

5. Eliminate shootout (and replace with what? ties?) - 1) This is backwards. The entire game should be a shootout unless it is tied at the end in which case there is OT as described above. The team aspect of hockey has really crowded out individual talent.

6. 5 shooters instead of 3 in the shootout – 3) passable, but only if all five shooters for each team go at the same time and they each have their own puck. If a player misses a shot, that player has to skate to the far end of the rink, touch the boards, then return, retrieve their puck, return to center ice, then take the shootout again in tandem with any other players on their team who also missed. First team to put all five pucks in wins.

7. 3 points for regulation win – 1) doesn’t do enough to promote edge-of-your-seat close games or allow miraculous end-of-season comebacks to make the playoffs. Should be 10 points for a 1 goal win, 9 for 2, 8 for 3, and so on in order to discourage teams from running up the score and putting games away early. A perfect season is 820 points for 82 1 goal wins.

8. Eliminate fighting (game misconduct) – 1) then how will players let each other know they have gone over the line? Needs to be replaced with something that pro athletes truly fear. Any player who needs to settle a score is allowed to bring the offending player’s wife and mistress onto the ice at the same time so that they can confront him. This will require players to maintain mistresses in each road city and at home.

9. Larger nets -3) depends. Nets should be proportionate in size to the upright forward facing surface area of each goalie, taking into account width and height. This way anyone can play goal without giving up an increased percentage of the net relative to a larger goalie. It’s only fair.

10. Must serve full two minutes when penalized (regardless of # of goals scored) -1) doesn’t do enough to differentiate between each type of penalty or how serious an individual infraction was. Mandatory time in the PB should be evaluated by the war room in TO on the basis of whether or not the offending player is on an Eastern Team or a Western One, whether the team gaining the power play is Eastern or Western, whether either team is Detroit, and the HWA’s opinion of each player involved in the play during which the penalty was called.

11. Shorthanded team cannot ice the puck. -1) Favours teams who already have such a crappy penalty kill that they can’t ice the puck anyway. To promote more power play goals instead, the rule should be that the shorthanded team must change lines every 27.5 seconds regardless of the state of play. This will also help teams with bad penalty kills keep fresh legs on the ice and result in a more competitive product.

12. Penalty ends when shorthanded goal is scored. - -4) Negative four. When a shorthanded goal is scored, the current penalty should end, but the player who scored the shorty should get a new two –minute unsportsmanlike penalty for being mean and making the opposing power play look lazy and undisciplined.

13. Delayed penalty, offending team must exit zone in possession of the puck to stop play. – 10) I love this. It gives teams the chance to score by cheating so long as the penalty occurs in the offensive zone and they don’t skate it out. LOVE THIS.

14. Abolish over the glass penalty. -5) The penalty is denying fans, night in-night out, the chance to take home a souvenir puck from the NHL, which is way cooler than a souvenir baseball from MLB, but less cool than a souvenir bowling ball from the PBA.

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. -3) Almost, should be two points but only if they lose while doing it and only as long as they avoid overtime. This will force coaches, players, and fantasy league fans to have to contemplate whether it is better to win or score 5 and lose, with the ideal scenario being that there is a game where each team tries to score 5 against their opponent, but then more against their own team in order to secure 3 points. Ties to determine playoff position are still determined by who has the most wins.

16. Eliminate blue lines, must bring puck across red line but once it's across, passes can go anywhere. – 5) Anywhere has to mean ANYWHERE though.

17. Players can ONLY change on the fly not allowed at whistles. – 5) IF players have to play through every TV timeout so that we know they are not cheating and changing during breaks in the play anyhow.

18. Eliminate faceoffs after offsides, just clear the zone and allow the defending to bring puck across their own blue line. - 4) Would have been a 5 if the idea was to eliminate face-offs all together. The face-off is the number-one momentum killer out there and deprives fans of the chance to see what their players are really made of. To start the game the puck drops from the ceiling from a giant plinko board and wherever it falls, she begins.

[GirlySports]

I like those

[GirlySports]

good time to revisit this.

3 on 3 has been brought in so remove #3.

What do you think of the other changes?

[heep223]

God I hate ties with a burning passion. For the love of all that is good and holy, don't ever bring back ties.

That is all.

[lazypucker]

1. Put back the red line No

2. Remove or inverse the trapezoid. Doesn't matter. But I would propose that if the goalie is outside of the trapezoid, then it's fair game for body contact, any legal body contact by opposition players will be allowed

3. 3 on 3 overtime No opinion

4. Unlimited 4 on 4 overtime (full intermission after 3rd period) If baseball and NBA have unlimited OT, why not make it work in hockey?

5. Eliminate shootout (and replace with what? ties?) If unlimited OT is not feasible, then we need to keep the shootout.

6. 5 shooters instead of 3 in the shootout 5 shooters will definitely make shootouts more exciting, right now with only 3 shooters, it is almost guarantee that if you miss the first one but the other team scores, you are 99% gonna lose.

7. 3 points for regulation win Yes. Need to have equal amount of points to be handed out in each and every game. Also the 3-2-1 system will make more interesting end-of-season battle of the standings.

8. Eliminate fighting (game misconduct) Why not?

9. Larger nets No. Smaller goalie equipment please

10. Must serve full two minutes when penalized (regardless of # of goals scored) No. Keep it the way it is.

11. Shorthanded team cannot ice the puck. Not gonna work.

12. Penalty ends when shorthanded goal is scored. Yes, to reward the shorthanded team for a job well done.

13. Delayed penalty, offending team must exit zone in possession of the puck to stop play. Maybe just say the offending team to clear the puck out of the zone (like ice the puck), simply touching it will not be good enough.

14. Abolish over the glass penalty. Yes, take that away. But give referees discretion to call intentional delay of game penalties.

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. No, don't mess up the point system, 3-2-1 is the best in my opinion.

16. Eliminate blue lines, must bring puck across red line but once it's across, passes can go anywhere. No, keep it the way it is. Once you entered the offensive zone, you have to stay in there, or start again.

17. Players can ONLY change on the fly not allowed at whistles. No, how about the other way around - You only allow to change on whistles? If you are stuck on the ice or got hit in the face no one will help you unless the play stops.

18. Eliminate faceoffs after offsides, just clear the zone and allow the defending to bring puck across their own blue line. Doesn't matter.

Also I would add that if you call a timeout, you are allowed to change your players on the ice. Isn't a timeout allow you to change strategies, including who you put on the ice? People argue that if you ice the puck you should be penalized in a way that you have to keep the same players on the ice, but shouldn't a precious timeout be able to trump that?

[lazypucker]

The CP servers are playing games with errors and timeouts. Double post

[troutman]

1. Put back the red line = No

2. Remove or inverse the trapezoid. = Yes

3. 3 on 3 overtime = No

4. Unlimited 4 on 4 overtime (full intermission after 3rd period) = No

5. Eliminate shootout (and replace with what? ties?) = Ties

6. 5 shooters instead of 3 in the shootout = Only if we have to have shoot-outs

7. 3 points for regulation win = No; ties with no loser points ok

8. Eliminate fighting (game misconduct) = Yes

9. Larger nets = No, reduce goalie gear

10. Must serve full two minutes when penalized (regardless of # of goals scored) = No

11. Shorthanded team cannot ice the puck. = No, No, No

12. Penalty ends when shorthanded goal is scored. = No

13. Delayed penalty, offending team must exit zone in possession of the puck to stop play. = No

14. Abolish over the glass penalty. = Yes (or maybe make it a 30 second penalty?)

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. = No, No, No

16. Eliminate blue lines, must bring puck across red line but once it's across, passes can go anywhere. = No

17. Players can ONLY change on the fly not allowed at whistles. No

18. Eliminate faceoffs after offsides, just clear the zone and allow the defending to bring puck across their own blue line. = Interesting

[calf]

I'd like to play with the offside rule a bit. I'm sure I've posted it before.

Basically, if you gain the offensive zone onside, the puck has to go past the centre/red line before you have to be onside when gaining the offensive zone again. Almost like an over-and-back rule.

Pros: This will open up more ice for the offence, reduces whistles if the puck barely crosses the blue line when the puck goes back to the D, and could result in tiring out the D, increasing scoring chances.

Cons: None, it's the perfect rule change.

[FBI]

Cons: new players to watching hockey will never understand it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calf

I'd like to play with the offside rule a bit. I'm sure I've posted it before.

Basically, if you gain the offensive zone onside, the puck has to go past the centre/red line before you have to be onside when gaining the offensive zone again. Almost like an over-and-back rule.

Pros: This will open up more ice for the offence, reduces whistles if the puck barely crosses the blue line when the puck goes back to the D, and could result in tiring out the D, increasing scoring chances.

Cons: None, it's the perfect rule change.

Why not get rid of the blue line and go to something like Box Lacrosse:

10 . OVER AND BACK - Once a team has cleared the ball and successfully gotten it into their offensive area, the ball may not go back across the midline. If it goes across the midline and touches the ground beyond midline, it is considered an “over and back” infraction and will be considered a “play on” situation. If the team committing this infraction gains possession of the ball beyond the midline, the whistle will blow. The player from this team who has control of the ball will immediately place it on the ground while assuming a position between the ball and his own team’s goal. The nearest opposing player will pick up the ball and the whistle will then blow to resume play. There will be no delay. A purposeful delay will result in an unsportsmanlike conduct foul call. The player taking possession of the ball after the whistle blows will wait for the whistle to blow before restarting. If the opposing, “fouled” team gains possession of the ball during the time of the “play on”, no whistle is blown and the “play on” is over.

One exception to this rule involves a rebound from a shot unless a player from the shooting team imparts impetus to the ball going toward the midline and then the ball goes across the midline. As well, when a team is “in the penalty”, “over and back” rules do not apply.

I am not a fan, per se, just chucking it out there for discussion.

[CroFlames]

Regular season = W-L-T with win being 3 points, tie being 1. Never under any circumstances imaginable should a team walk away with a point for losing a match.

Playoffs = change nothing.

Get rid of the trapezoid. Tender should be able to handle the puck anywhere he damn well pleases.

If more goals are an issue, reduce goalie gear size and that's it.

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[Displaced Flames fan]

I have to admit, I like the 3 on 3 more than I thought I would. It doesn't feel quite as gimmicky as I anticipated.

Plus...Gaudreau.

[edn88]

1. Put back the red line - might work with other rule changes, but it is fine

2. Remove or inverse the trapezoid - fine the way it is

3. 3 on 3 overtime - should really be 10 minutes of 3 on 3

4. Unlimited 4 on 4 overtime (full intermission after 3rd period) - unlimited 3 on 3 would be faster resolution to games.

5. Eliminate shootout (and replace with what? ties?) - unlimited 3 on 3 overtime

6. 5 shooters instead of 3 in the shootout - unlimited 3 on 3 overtime

7. 3 points for regulation win - or just wins and losses (no loser point)

8. Eliminate fighting (game misconduct) - old school enjoy fighting, but really if it was gone, no big deal

9. Larger nets - 2 " all around would be hardly noticeable

10. Must serve full two minutes when penalized (regardless of # of goals scored)- I think this would make refs hesitant to call penalties.

11. Shorthanded team cannot ice the puck. - totally agree with this - not sure why short hand team is allowed to ice puck and it would definitely add to offense (with no change on icing)

12. Penalty ends when shorthanded goal is scored. - insult to injury for the power play team

13. Delayed penalty, offending team must exit zone in possession of the puck to stop play. - would add offense and would help with making sure the offensive team is not ripped off by a trigger happy ref.

14. Abolish over the glass penalty. - this will NOT add more offense. If you are not skillful enough to clear the puck from your zone without it going over the glass, then you should be punished. So if you want to risk clearing the zone by going off the glass, just be prepared for the resulting penalty if you miss. Plus being able to go off the glass makes it even easier to penalty kill.

15. Team gets extra point for scoring 5 goals or more. - We need more offense, and this might get a team to go for it with 4 goals, but what if both teams score 5 goals?

16. Eliminate blue lines, must bring puck across red line but once it's across, passes can go anywhere. - traditionalist in me doesn't like it. Seems too much like basketball.

17. Players can ONLY change on the fly not allowed at whistles. This might help eliminate slow play during faceoffs. Probably more chances due to bad line changes.

18. Eliminate faceoffs after offsides, just clear the zone and allow the defending to bring puck across their own blue line. - definitely speeds up the game. Would feel like beer league. Would be lots of action at the blue line.

19 - Prevent goalies from covering (or holding) the puck - make it either a penalty or like icing where defending team cannot change

20 - Prevent defensive players from entering crease or stop them from playing puck in crease with anything other than stick - again either a penalty or no change for defensive team

21 - make the goalies glove another blocker with no ability to catch puck - see #19

[GirlySports]

hahaha two blockers!

How about two sticks!?

[GioforPM]

Another addition - I'd like to see a 2 minute penalty still occur if a penalty shot is awarded but not scored upon.