[News] Ortio, Granlund, & Wotherspoon assigned to Adirondack

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The same San Jose that projects to be able to add $25 million in salary at the deadline?

Heh, touche! I just assumed the Sharks would have a high payroll.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I disagree, even if the Flames were thinking about doing that (I doubt they were). Let Gaudreau have a break, he isn't used to the grind of an NHL schedule. Jooris has been battling injury so give him a break too.

I don't think the Flames were thinking about sending Jooris and Gaudreau down. I was responding to StayGolden who suggested that Wotherspoon, Granlund and Ortio were sent down for the All-Star break just to save the team a bit of money.

As for Jooris though, if he's fit enough to play, I would have thought an extra game in a seven day period would have helped him get back up to speed but maybe you're right; he may need more time for recovery.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Players can't be assigned to a conditioning stint unless they agree to it. If Ramo refuses to go, the Flames can't force him to.

Also, a player can only go on a conditioning loan for a maximum of 14 days.

With Adirondack's light schedule right now, if they had put him on a conditioning loan when he was cleared to play, he would have only had the chance to play a maximum of 3 games during the loan. They could put him on a conditioning loan this coming Wednesday and ADK has 5 games within that 14 day window.


Another thing to keep in mind is that if a player is in the AHL on a conditioning loan, he still counts as being a part of your NHL roster. So, whether he's in Calgary and not playing or in Adirondack and not playing, it doesn't free up a roster spot for anyone else.

[sureLoss]

After not playing on Friday (didn't get there in time), Ortio, Granlund and Wotherspoon are all playing tonight for Adirondack.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

After not playing on Friday (didn't get there in time), Ortio, Granlund and Wotherspoon are all playing tonight for Adirondack.

3-0 ADK with 10 minutes left. 30 saves so far for Ortio. Granlund has a goal.

[dammage79]

And Wolf I think has the other two. This guy is coming on strong. Imagine a 4th liner with finishing....

[thymebalm]

The cavalry helped snap a 4 game skid for the ADK Flames. Hoping we see them all back up in the pros sooner rather than later.

[djsFlames]

I thought the Anaheim game was pretty flukey in terms of goals. Ortio should be recalled as soon as the break's over. Getting a shutout is a nice rebound for him and should have him feeling on top of his game and forgetting about that joke of a last game.

[Badgers Nose]

the pace of development for some of the Flames prospects the last 12 months was stunning.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

the pace of development for some of the Flames prospects the last 12 months was stunning.

Agreed. Just be sure to be forgiving if there's some backsliding.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

the pace of development for some of the Flames prospects the last 12 months was stunning.

This is the whole point some of us have been trying to make in the "tank for better picks" debate.

The idea of allowing your team to suck so that you get higher draft picks completely ignores the fact that you already have a bunch of prospects in the organization, and that their development is not only important, but is directly impacted by tanking.

Having good veterans to guide the young players, and having meaningful hockey games that put them in situations and challenge them to be better, are key aspects of developing players. And the importance of them can't be understated.

The Flames and Oilers are extreme examples of this, at either end of the spectrum. The Oilers, despite getting lots and lots of top picks, have not been playing any kind of meaningful hockey and as such, have not developed the players they have.

Conversely the Flames, in constantly managing, challenging, and putting their prospects in bigger situations, have done a much better job of developing the players they have, the price being that they don't get to draft as high due to their success.

For me, there is no question which is the better organizational path (ignoring the Oilers incompetence and using a team like Buffalo as a better example) - I still think it's way better to push your organization forward than allow it to coast (thus not developing the assets you have) in order to get a better new asset.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is the whole point some of us have been trying to make in the "tank for better picks" debate.

The idea of allowing your team to suck so that you get higher draft picks completely ignores the fact that you already have a bunch of prospects in the organization, and that their development is not only important, but is directly impacted by tanking.

Having good veterans to guide the young players, and having meaningful hockey games that put them in situations and challenge them to be better, are key aspects of developing players. And the importance of them can't be understated.

The Flames and Oilers are extreme examples of this, at either end of the spectrum. The Oilers, despite getting lots and lots of top picks, have not been playing any kind of meaningful hockey and as such, have not developed the players they have.

Conversely the Flames, in constantly managing, challenging, and putting their prospects in bigger situations, have done a much better job of developing the players they have, the price being that they don't get to draft as high due to their success.

For me, there is no question which is the better organizational path (ignoring the Oilers incompetence and using a team like Buffalo as a better example) - I still think it's way better to push your organization forward than allow it to coast (thus not developing the assets you have) in order to get a better new asset.

This is a big reason why Detroit did so very well over so many years. Development is underrated in this league, and certainly underrated north of us.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Flames and Oilers are extreme examples of this, at either end of the spectrum. The Oilers, despite getting lots and lots of top picks, have not been playing any kind of meaningful hockey and as such, have not developed the players they have.

The Oilers are double dinged having washed out on 2nd-7th round picks of late. They have their 1st rounders playing in the NHL is a brutal environment, and their farm team stocked with older AHL players meaning the development time in the AHL isn't as effective either.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is the whole point some of us have been trying to make in the "tank for better picks" debate.

The idea of allowing your team to suck so that you get higher draft picks completely ignores the fact that you already have a bunch of prospects in the organization, and that their development is not only important, but is directly impacted by tanking.

Having good veterans to guide the young players, and having meaningful hockey games that put them in situations and challenge them to be better, are key aspects of developing players. And the importance of them can't be understated.

The Flames and Oilers are extreme examples of this, at either end of the spectrum. The Oilers, despite getting lots and lots of top picks, have not been playing any kind of meaningful hockey and as such, have not developed the players they have.

Conversely the Flames, in constantly managing, challenging, and putting their prospects in bigger situations, have done a much better job of developing the players they have, the price being that they don't get to draft as high due to their success.

For me, there is no question which is the better organizational path (ignoring the Oilers incompetence and using a team like Buffalo as a better example) - I still think it's way better to push your organization forward than allow it to coast (thus not developing the assets you have) in order to get a better new asset.

Not sure if this was directed at me, but I'll point out that I predicted the Flames to finish much higher than last year and that they should consider trading their 1st because of the McDavid hysteria and the fact they would likely not have much chance at winning the lottery. Therefore, they could get a lot more than the pick was worth (that ship has sailed, so I think they should keep it).

I based that on nothing more than pure optimism.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Not sure if this was directed at me, but I'll point out that I predicted the Flames to finish much higher than last year and that they should consider trading their 1st because of the McDavid hysteria and the fact they would likely not have much chance at winning the lottery. Therefore, they could get a lot more than the pick was worth (that ship has sailed, so I think they should keep it).

I based that on nothing more than pure optimism.

Not 'directed' at you, more just expanding on your point