[Rumour] Sven Baertschi's dad talks to Swiss newspaper about wanting out

[terminator]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

As long as Baertschi isn't a big man-baby like Lindros, and needs mommy and daddy's help being a big boy, I don't think we have anything to worry about. Dad being a dad, nothing to see here IMO.

The kids a kid, I don't get what ur saying? Perhaps he has yet to be exposed to adult life.

And maybe it's the flames; remeber erixon

[Mass_nerder]

It's believable. I definitely don't think the flames are going to hand him anything. It's a tough situation, because he was "the guy" under Feaster, and probably understood what was expected of him. Now he has different expectations with the new management, and will need to figure out how to handle himself.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Is there an English article link?

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

That should take you to the article translated through Google Translate.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Parents should seriously be banned from talking about their kids performance/playing time with their organization. It never goes well.

Carl and Bonnie Lindros

[djsFlames]

And yet all Sven has to do is show dominance at the AHL level. If he were to have done that last year, and helped carry the team in the playoffs like Granlund did, then he might already be penciled in for Wednesday.

Yet he did not, and part of it I can understand cause they asked him to change aspects of his game. But he had all year to get back to where he was, and he ended up just being a supporting player when he's got the tools to be better.

Just go and dominate Sven. Have a good month and then you can take Seto's place by the start of November. Simple as that. Time to walk the walk.

[Dajazz]

I must have missed the part where Sven outplayed his competition for 3 left wing.

His dad is not only delirious, but is also making his son look like a self-entitled, self-victimizing child. Which, considering his media statements, he really doesnt need.

There was an article with his mom a year or two back where she basically said "man the ###### up, you should be grateful for this chance".

Both him and his dad should listen more to Mama Baertschi.

All this drama is making me lose interest in Sven as a prospect.

[jesters91]

I will admit I only saw two of the pre-season games but Sven didn't impress me in either. The AHL seemed a logical choice from what I saw.

[robaur]

The kid is a 35-40 point player in the NHL already. Dont exactly know what the Flames want him to prove in the AHL. If you know that he takes demotion hard, then dont demote him and try to make him the best player in the NHL while playing in the NHL ... every person is built different psychologically....its not the job of the Flames to potentially derail his career by putting him through #### mentally that he obviously cant handle...

At this point, I think they should just trade Baertschi and watch him become a Savard/MSL by some team who will let him play in the NHL while putting up with his struggles.

Some kids...you cant behave like this with...and one of those kids is clearly Sven Baertschi. As far as I remember, Martin St. Louis was the same way and is the exact same way to this day.

The only solution to this situation is to either give him playing time top 6 in the NHL and let him develop and be patient

OR

trade him and stop from potentially mentally scarring this fragile kid and derailing this kid and his love for hockey.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by robaur

The kid is a 35-40 point player in the NHL already. Dont exactly know what the Flames want him to prove in the AHL. If you know that he takes demotion hard, then dont demote him and try to make him the best player in the NHL while playing in the NHL ... every person is built different psychologically....its not the job of the Flames to potentially derail his career by putting him through #### mentally that he obviously cant handle...

At this point, I think they should just trade Baertschi and watch him become a Savard/MSL by some team who will let him play in the NHL while putting up with his struggles.

Some kids...you cant behave like this with...and one of those kids is clearly Sven Baertschi. As far as I remember, Martin St. Louis was the same way and is the exact same way to this day.

The only solution to this situation is to either give him playing time top 6 in the NHL and let him develop and be patient

OR

trade him and stop from potentially mentally scarring this fragile kid and derailing this kid and his love for hockey.

OR let him learn while he's young and earn his spot on the team so you don't have different rules for different players?

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Does seem to be something weird between him and Coach Bob though. I'm big supporter of what Hartley has done, so if the organization isn't going to cater to the kid, IMO, we should explore the trade route suggested. Let the kid put up some points, confirming what everybody already knows - that he can do this - and sell high (or at least as close to even) as we can, instead of slowly breaking him down and losing value as pieces like this continue to raise red flags to potential suitors.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

OR let him learn while he's young and earn his spot on the team so you don't have different rules for different players?

I understand what you're saying but I'm old enough and I've seen this movie before.

This is turning identical to the Martin St. Louis situation.

Maybe St. Louis might have proven himself more at the AHL level but that guy had the same mental state of mind as well. He thought demotion was the end of the world and he would get so down on himself.

To this day...that was the case. He was left off Team Canada Olympic roster and he got so down and out...that he demanded a trade even after he won a gold medal.

Some human beings are just like this....you have to be accommodating. I think if the Flames got rid of Baertschi now...he would go and become a superstar elsewhere.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by robaur

The kid is a 35-40 point player in the NHL already. Dont exactly know what the Flames want him to prove in the AHL. If you know that he takes demotion hard, then dont demote him and try to make him the best player in the NHL while playing in the NHL ... every person is built different psychologically....its not the job of the Flames to potentially derail his career by putting him through #### mentally that he obviously cant handle...

At this point, I think they should just trade Baertschi and watch him become a Savard/MSL by some team who will let him play in the NHL while putting up with his struggles.

Some kids...you cant behave like this with...and one of those kids is clearly Sven Baertschi. As far as I remember, Martin St. Louis was the same way and is the exact same way to this day.

The only solution to this situation is to either give him playing time top 6 in the NHL and let him develop and be patient

OR

trade him and stop from potentially mentally scarring this fragile kid and derailing this kid and his love for hockey.

So you're basically saying that the Flames should follow the Oilers lead of giving spots to kids without them having to earn them. If a player can't elevate his game to play a solid game and play within a system, then they should be moved, not because of them, but because they aren't good enough for us.

Baertschi is very close, even Burke and Treliving have said it, but he does need to work on some things in the AHL still. He did not look at all like an NHL top 6 forward offensively in the preseason. He needs to find a balance between his defensive game and his offensive game in order to be useful, because if he is a bottom 6 forward, there are other players that are more suited for that type of game (Arnold, Agostino, Reinhart, Ferland etc)

The bold part is where you get situations like Edmonton, and with Iginla. Neither the kids up north or Iginla and his group listened to the coaching staff. No player should be above reproach and if they feel that way, then it might be better to move them elsewhere. You win by having all 20 guys buying in to playing the same system and each pulling their own weight. Teams that have collections of individuals each with their own sets of privileges never win because they are too me first.

You don't see Kane and Toews being selfish and not willing to improve, Kane's always working on refining his offensive game. If a player thinks they are good enough and aren't willing to learn or try to improve, then those players should get as far away from our team as possible. Mediocrity should not be tolerated.

If anyone can't handle some criticism, especially when it's warranted and accurate, then they should grow up and become an adult and learn from what they are picking out as flaws and why they want you to improve instead of getting pissy because they are picking out flaws.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

So you're basically saying that the Flames should follow the Oilers lead of giving spots to kids without them having to earn them. If a player can't elevate his game to play a solid game and play within a system, then they should be moved, not because of them, but because they aren't good enough for us.

Baertschi is very close, even Burke and Treliving have said it, but he does need to work on some things in the AHL still. He did not look at all like an NHL top 6 forward offensively in the preseason. He needs to find a balance between his defensive game and his offensive game in order to be useful, because if he is a bottom 6 forward, there are other players that are more suited for that type of game (Arnold, Agostino, Reinhart, Ferland etc)

The bold part is where you get situations like Edmonton, and with Iginla. Neither the kids up north or Iginla and his group listened to the coaching staff. No player should be above reproach and if they feel that way, then it might be better to move them elsewhere. You win by having all 20 guys buying in to playing the same system and each pulling their own weight. Teams that have collections of individuals each with their own sets of privileges never win because they are too me first.

You don't see Kane and Toews being selfish and not willing to improve, Kane's always working on refining his offensive game. If a player thinks they are good enough and aren't willing to learn or try to improve, then those players should get as far away from our team as possible. Mediocrity should not be tolerated.

If anyone can't handle some criticism, especially when it's warranted and accurate, then they should grow up and become an adult and learn from what they are picking out as flaws and why they want you to improve instead of getting pissy because they are picking out flaws.

I agree with every word that you say and that theory applies to a majority of players.

BUT....selfish individual players also win Stanley Cups...they aren't your captains...or leaders...theyre just another part of your team.

BTW...Martin St. Louis and his Stanley Cup say hi.

But great post and i agree with you....im just offering a different perspective...then i guess its best to trade baertschi.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by robaur

I agree with every word that you say and that theory applies to a majority of players.

BUT....selfish individual players also win Stanley Cups...they aren't your captains...or leaders...theyre just another part of your team.

BTW...Martin St. Louis and his Stanley Cup say hi.

But great post and i agree with you....im just offering a different perspective...then i guess its best to trade baertschi.

Yes, I definitely agree, but in a case with a possible issue guy (again nothing has been confirmed here on how Sven thinks), you have to try to see if you can make him come around and do things in a more optimal manner. If not then you make a determination of what to do with him then. That might mean having him on the 2nd/3rd line until something better comes along, sort of like Chicago with Versteeg the first time around, or you move him in a talent for talent trade (Chris Stewart for Erik Johnson type move on a lesser scale)

And BTW, I'm glad you're putting up a different point of view. It's always good to have discussions with different views, I was a bit heavy handed in my counter argument though and it wasn't directed at you. I'm annoyed at the potential situation being discussed. I like Sven's abilities and would rather not lose him because of immaturity, and it's frustrating having this discussion instead of looking forward to what he'll be bringing to the team.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Yes, I definitely agree, but in a case with a possible issue guy (again nothing has been confirmed here on how Sven thinks), you have to try to see if you can make him come around and do things in a more optimal manner. If not then you make a determination of what to do with him then. That might mean having him on the 2nd/3rd line until something better comes along, sort of like Chicago with Versteeg the first time around, or you move him in a talent for talent trade (Chris Stewart for Erik Johnson type move on a lesser scale)

And BTW, I'm glad you're putting up a different point of view. It's always good to have discussions with different views, I was a bit heavy handed in my counter argument though and it wasn't directed at you. I'm annoyed at the potential situation being discussed. I like Sven's abilities and would rather not lose him because of immaturity, and it's frustrating having this discussion instead of looking forward to what he'll be bringing to the team.

I guess there ain't enough adult drinks that you can knock back to erase the hurt that MSL caused Flames fans and I think a lot of anger is just directed at management at the time. There's no doubt that if we had MSL in 2004, history would probably be different.

I just hope Sven goes down and lights it up. For his sake and for the sanity of Flames fans of "what could have been?".....here was a kid I religiously watched in junior hockey with portland in his draft year and saying...wow this kid is something....only if we could get him at #13...and then he had that swagger about wanting to be better than RNH.....now....its almost all gone.

[kehatch]

Baertschi is playing like a player without confidence confused with what the Flames want from him. This demotion reinforces that.

The kid can play. Give him some faith, restore some confidence, and let him play in the NHL. It isn't like you are gifting him the spot. He worked hard in the off season and played his but off in the preseason.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

OR let him learn while he's young and earn his spot on the team so you don't have different rules for different players?

Every team has different rules for different players, this is 2014 not 1948, you have a limited number of assets, you can't afford to waste talent, and while the nhl is still the best league these kids all have options and can generally walk away from a team if pushed.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Baertschi is playing like a player without confidence confused with what the Flames want from him. This demotion reinforces that.

The kid can play. Give him some faith, restore some confidence, and let him play in the NHL. It isn't like you are gifting him the spot. He worked hard in the off season and played his but off in the preseason.

They want him to go Adirondack like a professional and play the game like he's capable of. There was a spot for him, and he was very clearly beat out for that spot by Johnny Gaudreau. The competition is great for the team.

If Baertschi goes down and plays well he'll get called up sooner rather than later. He's still young, and this route is take with players his age all over the league. In no way is this the injustice you're making it out to be and you've gone from voicing an opinion about it to outright whining.

[Geeoff]

I would not be opposed to us trading Baertschi for a RW or D prospect.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Hopefully it's not 2 serious as I really want him on the team.