Barbaric Mother

[GreenLantern]

I would rather see her rot in a cell and cost me all my money in taxes than harm another child!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

What's the cost/benefit of keeping her in jail longer?

10 years, she won't have kids again, afterwards she'll come out and maybe pay some taxes, and likely not have an opportunity to do anything demented again, and probably will have more scrutiny over her actions helping prevent any nasty reprocutions of her being free.

Keep her in jail, we waste millions on her.

I think people get a little emotional over the whole "Lock them up, and rape them with the key" that goes on in all of these threads.

When it comes to violent crimes I don't really apply accounting principles to it. We could more easily balance it out by bringing back hard labor sentences and road gangs as well. Send them to the arctic for 5 years to do road work and build runways and harbors.

I would hope that the sentence involves a large permanent restraining order to protect the daughter. Even though I believe that the girl is so traumatized and indoctrinated that she'll seek her mother out.

You want the screwed up side of the cost benefit charge. The cost to fix this poor girl is enormous, but that's a price that right if she can be fixed.

I would agree with a some that a looong jail sentence probably wouldn't be worthwhile in this case though I'm convinced that this woman is a psychopath and can't be fixed. However there does have to be a perception of justice and there has to be a concept of deterrent in the face of a crime like this and that's why a major sentence is required.

The joke of it is, she'll probably only serve a couple of years and be out, that's a pretty low price to pay for torturing and abusing your own daughter and that's the sickening part. Personally I also think she should be sterilized so she can't have any more kids.

I also think a case like this deserves a proper flogging. But that's just me.

I would be all for lower sentencing on first time offenders, in terms of violent crime, if you reoffend violently you get tossed down a well never to see society again.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

When it comes to violent crimes I don't really apply accounting principles to it. We could more easily balance it out by bringing back hard labor sentences and road gangs as well. Send them to the arctic for 5 years to do road work and build runways and harbors.

I would hope that the sentence involves a large permanent restraining order to protect the daughter. Even though I believe that the girl is so traumatized and indoctrinated that she'll seek her mother out.

You want the screwed up side of the cost benefit charge. The cost to fix this poor girl is enormous, but that's a price that right if she can be fixed.

I would agree with a some that a looong jail sentence probably wouldn't be worthwhile in this case though I'm convinced that this woman is a psychopath and can't be fixed. However there does have to be a perception of justice and there has to be a concept of deterrent in the face of a crime like this and that's why a major sentence is required.

The joke of it is, she'll probably only serve a couple of years and be out, that's a pretty low price to pay for torturing and abusing your own daughter and that's the sickening part. Personally I also think she should be sterilized so she can't have any more kids.

I also think a case like this deserves a proper flogging. But that's just me.

I would be all for lower sentencing on first time offenders, in terms of violent crime, if you reoffend violently you get tossed down a well never to see society again.

I definitely agree with some of what you said, but I tend to agree more with Hulk on this one.

What benefit does anyone get from locking her up for any longer than 10 years? If she's going to be rehabilitated, is there a magic number, and is it longer than 10 years?
If she can't be rehabilitated, then do we lock her up forever, or do we just make sure that she can't reoffend, which as Hulk pointed out, 10 years is proably enough in that case, she won't be having any more kids, and hopefully that's long enough for her daughter to grow up and realize what her mother did to her.

As for the bolded part, I'm pretty sure that's completely irrelevant in just about any case, and most definitely in this one.
Let's be honest, no one, let along this woman, checks the criminal code, sees that her maximum sentence would be 10 years, and then sayd "Yup, that's short enough for me! Time to torture my daughter".

[Bill Bumface]

^Exactly.

For a normal person, 1 year in prison is a HUGE deterrent. Anything over that, and you're dealing with people who don't care about deterrents.

The death penalty isn't even an effective deterrent.

I think you're idea of flogging isn't an effective deterrent, and really shows what level you're examining the whole issue on, which is likely an emotional one.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

^Exactly.

For a normal person, 1 year in prison is a HUGE deterrent. Anything over that, and you're dealing with people who don't care about deterrents.

The death penalty isn't even an effective deterrent.

I think you're idea of flogging isn't an effective deterrent, and really shows what level you're examining the whole issue on, which is likely an emotional one.

In this case maybe there's not as much of a deterrent value because its a pretty rare crime. But if you suddenly and without exception threw every criminal into prison for 20 years without parole for a gun related crime it might have a deterrent factor.

Saying one year in jail for this crime is wrong to me, just like saying short sentences for violent crimes is wrong to me. If you make the sentences a joke then the hardened criminals won't take it seriously.

I was being over the top with the flogging thing, though in my mind this mother deserves no mercy or sympathy whatsoever. I think a 10 year sentence is probably fair. But if she can't be rehabilitated ie she's a through and through psychopath, then whats the point of taking the risk of putting her back into society.

Justice has to be four fold in my mind. Punishment, rehabilitation, public safety and a public example of committing a crime. I would argue that the justice system in this country going back since its inception has failed onthe rehabilitation side. But the other three remain. Brutalizing or abusing a person, or raping a person, or murdering a person. A shorter sentence is a joke because these are inexcusable crimes, and I don't care what people say there's no core cause that excuses them.

[NuclearPizzaMan]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Maybe I'm in the minority but I have no problem with 10 years as the sentence. While what she did was terrible amd barbaric the point of jail is rehabilitation and I think that's enough time.

meh. A lot of more deserving people need help, and we have limited resources. Hang her.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I would rather see her rot in a cell and cost me all my money in taxes than harm another child!

Let me say first, that I opened this thread yesterday and the visual of the quoted text made me sick to my stomach. I didn't even read it all and certainly didn't click through on any links.

The thing is, she won't likely ever have access to her children again. She won't ever be able to be in a position to work closely with children, since she will fail a vulnerable sector check in about 8 seconds flat.

What's the danger to kids? Unless there is some other reason to think that she might apprehend another child to do this, or prey on children in playgrounds and try and 'discipline' them in this way, I don't think keeping her locked up much longer serves any useful purpose.

If there was such a reason to be concerned, due to results of testing and therapy in prison, that lead them to believe that these things might be possible, then by all means I would have no issue with her being locked up indefinitely.