Chinook Centre's Security - Highly Aggressive? You decide.

[Minnie]

Their FB page is starting to get hammered.

And Paladin's COO needs a lesson in PR. Don't start in with the 'well maybe the 'suspect' did this, or maybe the 'suspect' did that' bullpucky. It is absolutely making excuses and it absolutely is passing judgment on the person detained, when they have no absolute knowledge he did anything, particularly in light of the fact that the guy wasn't even charged by police. It's only going to leave them with egg on their face.

The COO should have followed Lim's example and merely stated that an internal investigation was ongoing and once it was concluded, a comment and/or statement would be issued at that time.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Their FB page is starting to get hammered.

And Paladin's COO needs a lesson in PR. Don't start in with the 'well maybe the 'suspect' did this, or maybe the 'suspect' did that' bullpucky. It is absolutely making excuses and it absolutely is passing judgment on the person detained, when they have no absolute knowledge he did anything, particularly in light of the fact that the guy wasn't even charged by police. It's only going to leave them with egg on their face.

The COO should have followed Lim's example and merely stated that an internal investigation was ongoing and once it was concluded, a comment and/or statement would be issued at that time.

He went into more details than maybe he should have but I did't read that as him taking sides. I left out a quote in the article that states he was a former police officer who had to deal with take downs and went into some detail trying to explain what happens in situations like this. I found that part interesting when you consider most people would question why it takes multiple people to subdue one person.

If there is wrong doing found on the part of the rent a cops they will be fired. Not sure how that leaves them with egg on thier face.

What disturbes more is people jumping to conclusions before all the facts are in.

[Minnie]

Nvm.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Nvm.

I promise I won't be offened by what you have to say. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone elses.

[Minnie]

No, it would only be pooh-pooh'd as anecdotal evidence so there is no point.

[Daradon]

Sounds like there is more to the story than what the suspect is letting on. Wave goodbye? Him, sounds like someone perhaps waved a specific finger, or yelled out insults as he was leaving.

However I'm not sure exactly what besides violence would warrant such a situation. And if he wasn't charged I can't think that was the case. It's possible he struck someone after the went to grab him, but that would more be fighting back/defending oneself rather than taking the first swing.

When someone jumps on your back I would imagine the natural reaction it to try and escape, flail arms, defend oneself. Could be the guard who SAYS he got hit, merely took an unintended elbow to the nose when he was involved in the takedown.

I get a little upset at security or police that say the suspect was uncoooperative or resisted or was violent when the only reason it gets to that point is because they overstepped their bounds in the first place. Often it seems like the people in these situations feel they have the right to use force, but the other person does not have reason to defend themselves against the situation. They just gotta take it.

Don't taze me bro!

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Minnie

No, it would only be pooh-pooh'd as anecdotal evidence so there is no point.

I might be misunderstanding your post but If were trying to get to the truth doesn't all anecdotal evidence need to be heard?

Maybe it was the word conclusions? If so it was a wrong choice of words on my part. Guilty might have been a better word.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Security cameras will tell the story more. If he indeed just waved bye-bye to the security he just could have been thought of as a "dink", but now these boys could have made matters worse by unlawfully detaining a person, assault and battery, and I'm sure there could be more there.

Police don't have the authority to do this to you. Why would civilian security?

Originally Posted by Jacks

If you used that kind of force on a burglar in your house you would be charged.

Untrue. Canada's new "self defence" laws:

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/news-no...doc_32865.html

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Stupid rent-a-cops.

I don't care what he did, he didn't deserve to be beaten by 5-6 loser high school drop outs.

Rent-a-cops are always the losers that got bullied in school and in life so they try to become someone important but they don't realize they have no more rights than a regular citizen has.

It must be really hard to perpetuate such ignorance in every post you make. The security guards that I have seen and the ones who were the bullies and they take that job so they can continue to be a giant ###### to people on a daily basis.

Bulling is a huge ####ing problem and statements like the one you make are absolutely ridiculous. The "losers" who get bullied in school? At least we know what kind of an ####### ######bag you were in highschool. Keep fighting the good fight.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Dion

The media did get a hold of the story and officials from Chinook Centre are reviewing the video.....





http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...906/story.html

Oh man "was he biting someone's fingers? I don't know" probably not cause he was yelling " don't punch me" as he was punching him

[Igottago]

I think the fact that the guy was released without charge is what makes the mall cops look pretty bad here. We don't have all the facts? Ok, but if the victim did something criminal enough to receive this treatment, why aren't you charging him? Even if the guy was an a-hole and flipped them the bird it doesn't warrant that type of force.

[simmonjam1]

I have a friend who worked retail in Deerfoot mall and caught some people shoplifting. She called security and they told her they could follow the shoplifters until police arrived provided they stayed on the premises. They weren't allowed to physically detain the people. They (mall cops) seem like more of a deterrent as opposed to someone with any kind of power.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I loathe rent-a-cops. I've met precious few of them who weren't jumped up wannabes anxious to prove their 'power' and whose level of braggadocio is unparalled and beyond obnoxious. There are exceptions, obviously, and I've met a few of them, and they are pleasant people.

Quite the pathetic post, IMO.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I think the fact that the guy was released without charge is what makes the mall cops look pretty bad here. We don't have all the facts? Ok, but if the victim did something criminal enough to receive this treatment, why aren't you charging him? Even if the guy was an a-hole and flipped them the bird it doesn't warrant that type of force.

I think we are all forgetting that the guy could still be charged with something after the cops look into this more. On the news this morning they said that the cops were looking at the security footage, so I would assume based on what they see either the security guards, or the 'victim' could be charged with something.

[Erick Estrada]

You can hear at the end if the video one of the guards saying he punched me in the face. The guy says he didn't but you can hear a woman say that he did. I'm willing to bet that the guy was being a punk but a couple of the guards looked to have crossed the line by punching him while he was subdued and banging his face on the pavement. At the end of the day the guy was being a dick so I'm not going to jump all over these guards unless its proven that they just decided to randomly beat up a innocent victim (highly unlikely).

[InglewoodFan]

I am rather stunned at the amount of force these security guards are apparently allowed to exert given their rather minimal amount of training relative to a LEO.

I watched the video on the Metro site last night, is it just me or does one of the guards say something to the effect of "I'll fsck you up!" and have to be restrained by the other guards? This got way out of hand, and I think some of the blame has to be on the guards who elevated the situation way too fast.

[nfotiu]

I'm all for the security guards getting fired, or charged or whatever, but what kind of 31 year old gets in a fight with mall security guards?!? Time to grow up!

[jammies]

What's being forgotten here is that a 31 year old man decided to sit down on the escalator. Was he waving at his friends to be the coolest of the cool as well?

Hang a few of these escalator-sitters and maybe the rest of them will think twice.

[CaptainCrunch]

Not siding with anyone here, just wondering about a 31 year old sitting on an escalater and doing the whole Chuck Norris, : I threw my coffee cup away and waved good bye action.

But the guards shouldn't be doing any kind of take down like that,definitely over the top