🚨 The Zayne Parekh show has arrived 🚨

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Let's do as Monahammer suggests and look at the Flames' history when it comes to utilizing rookie defenders, shall we?

Phaneuf: over 5 minutes of PP time per game
Giordano: 2:42 / game
Brodie: 1:44 / game
Andersson: 1:00 / game

Yes, it is clearly as Monahammer says. The Flames never give rookie defenders time on the powerplay.

I guess it depends on how relevant you think that is for completely different players with completely different coaching staffs.

You can also evaluate if the Flames simply had better PP players at that time.
- During Gio's rookie season they had Hamrlik and Dion. Would you have played Gio over either?
- During Brodie's season they had Gio and Bouw, though I also recall (with some level of horror) that perhaps The Anton was also getting time on PP.
- During Rasmus's rookie season they had Hanifin, Brodie and Gio. This was during Gio's 74 point season so he was the clear first choice.

Phaneuf was probably the closest comparable to a guy entering the league ready to have an immediate PP impact. Was 5 minutes too low? Not sure.

I would suggest that most of those guys didn't get PP time because they weren't better than the incumbents. I don't think that's the same situation as what we are dealing with here.

All that to say, I find things that happened 15-20 years ago to not really be that relevant.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I guess it depends on how relevant you think that is for completely different players with completely different coaching staffs.

You can also evaluate if the Flames simply had better PP players at that time.
- During Gio's rookie season they had Hamrlik and Dion. Would you have played Gio over either?
- During Brodie's season they had Gio and Bouw, though I also recall (with some level of horror) that perhaps The Anton was also getting time on PP.
- During Rasmus's rookie season they had Hanifin, Brodie and Gio. This was during Gio's 74 point season so he was the clear first choice.

Phaneuf was probably the closest comparable to a guy entering the league ready to have an immediate PP impact. Was 5 minutes too low? Not sure.

I would suggest that most of those guys didn't get PP time because they weren't better than the incumbents. I don't think that's the same situation as what we are dealing with here.

All that to say, I find things that happened 15-20 years ago to not really be that relevant.

Should I have used green text? I was being facetious.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Should I have used green text? I was being facetious.

lol.
To be fair it's getting hard to tell sometimes on this site when people are being serious and not.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would assume Rasmus does get 1st unit PP time. I believe teams still want to see Rasmus producing on a PP, as GMs will likely appreciate the fact that he is able to back-fill if their PP guy gets injured in their playoff run. If I am Conroy, I would ask Huska to put him on the 1st unit. Weegar and Parekh can be on the 2nd unit. You don't need to run 4 forwards. Just use 3 forwards and Weegar-Parekh. Problem solved. It isn't as if the Flames have high-end forwards that you can't just remove from the PP.


When Andersson gets traded, either Weegar or Parekh (depending on who is riding hot) get bumped to the 1st unit, and you run 4 forwards again.



If you are really unhappy with Andersson getting 1st PP minutes, then put him on the 2nd with Parekh. That's fine too. I think Parekh - with Andersson in the lineup - will still find at least 15 minutes a night, probably closer to 18-19. That's good. I think Quinn Hughes was at 22? 23?


Shelter him to start, and then as he shows you that he is ready for more, you give him more and shelter him less. Keeping Rasmus in the lineup to star the year isn't the worst thing for Parekh's development - easier to shelter him. By the time Andersson does get traded, hopefully Parekh is ready for a more minutes and more responsibility, but you aren't throwing him to the wolves on day 1.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

That's just the random idiot in an Oilers jersey that always shows up at things that have nothing to do with them.

Haha, nailed it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would assume Rasmus does get 1st unit PP time. I believe teams still want to see Rasmus producing on a PP, as GMs will likely appreciate the fact that he is able to back-fill if their PP guy gets injured in their playoff run. If I am Conroy, I would ask Huska to put him on the 1st unit. Weegar and Parekh can be on the 2nd unit. You don't need to run 4 forwards. Just use 3 forwards and Weegar-Parekh. Problem solved. It isn't as if the Flames have high-end forwards that you can't just remove from the PP.


When Andersson gets traded, either Weegar or Parekh (depending on who is riding hot) get bumped to the 1st unit, and you run 4 forwards again.



If you are really unhappy with Andersson getting 1st PP minutes, then put him on the 2nd with Parekh. That's fine too. I think Parekh - with Andersson in the lineup - will still find at least 15 minutes a night, probably closer to 18-19. That's good. I think Quinn Hughes was at 22? 23?


Shelter him to start, and then as he shows you that he is ready for more, you give him more and shelter him less. Keeping Rasmus in the lineup to star the year isn't the worst thing for Parekh's development - easier to shelter him. By the time Andersson does get traded, hopefully Parekh is ready for a more minutes and more responsibility, but you aren't throwing him to the wolves on day 1.

I seriously doubt they risk stunting Parekh's development to showcase Andersson. If Parekh is ready for #1 PP, he's going to get it.

"Showcasing" Andersson on the PP, may not be the best move either. If he doesn't perform, it's going to decrease his value. Andersson seems like a pretty well known quantity at this point. #2-4 d-man that can play on both the PP and shorthanded, but isn't spectacular at either.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would assume Rasmus does get 1st unit PP time. I believe teams still want to see Rasmus producing on a PP, as GMs will likely appreciate the fact that he is able to back-fill if their PP guy gets injured in their playoff run. If I am Conroy, I would ask Huska to put him on the 1st unit. Weegar and Parekh can be on the 2nd unit. You don't need to run 4 forwards. Just use 3 forwards and Weegar-Parekh. Problem solved. It isn't as if the Flames have high-end forwards that you can't just remove from the PP.


When Andersson gets traded, either Weegar or Parekh (depending on who is riding hot) get bumped to the 1st unit, and you run 4 forwards again.



If you are really unhappy with Andersson getting 1st PP minutes, then put him on the 2nd with Parekh. That's fine too. I think Parekh - with Andersson in the lineup - will still find at least 15 minutes a night, probably closer to 18-19. That's good. I think Quinn Hughes was at 22? 23?


Shelter him to start, and then as he shows you that he is ready for more, you give him more and shelter him less. Keeping Rasmus in the lineup to star the year isn't the worst thing for Parekh's development - easier to shelter him. By the time Andersson does get traded, hopefully Parekh is ready for a more minutes and more responsibility, but you aren't throwing him to the wolves on day 1.

wut??? hahahaha

how many teams are clamoring for a point man who doesn't shoot? He shouldn't even be on PP4.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Haha, nailed it.

Denny Crane

[gvitaly]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1963648398600335813

Spot the Honzek, and Parekh.

[getbak]

Honzo, Parekh, and Iginla are the only ones I can identify.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by getbak

Honzo, Parekh, and Iginla are the only ones I can identify.

Demidov, Schaefer, Desnoyers all jumped at me. Pretty sure that's Misa and Dickinson in the back Grey shirts.

Aside from that I'm drawing a lot of blanks too.

[stemit14]

Difficult to predict Parekh’s numbers. I think he has the skill and his development is at the point where he could definitely put up 40+ points this season. However, so much of that depends on his usage. Some teams are quick to give young players big minutes and opportunities - eg. Montreal with Hutson last season. Others are a little more cautious and patient - often giving them protected minutes and 2nd line powerplay opportunities.

Not sure how Huska will deploy Parekh to start the season and as the season progresses. For the most part, I think he seems to reward young players if they play responsibly and produce but pull back a bit on their leash if they start making too many mistakes. Probly a good development strategy overall but can limit how productive a season a rookie can have. And Parekh’s style of play could lead to many mistakes.

Also, Andersson sticking around for most of the season could limit Parekh’s opportunities a bit. The flames might want to inflate Andersson’s value a bit - which could mean a spot on PP1 is reserved for him.

[GreenLantern2814]

I expect Zayne Parekh is going to be running the number one powerplay unit out of camp.

I expect 46-60 points.

This is a special player.

[gilligans_off]

I made the wrong selection, I could see him with the same points as Dion Phaneuf had in his rookie year 20g 29a 49p +/- 5 points

[Johnny Makarov]

I put $100 for Parekh to win the calder. +1200 / 13.0

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If Hutson's season is the bar to take the Calder then Parekh can replicate that and then some.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I put $100 for Parekh to win the calder. +1200 / 13.0

You waiting too long, I got +1800 on bet365 two months ago, I only put $20 on him though.

Edit: you got robbed wherever you bet, so did I, he's +2000 now as the 7th favorite.

Top 10

Demidov +200
Buium +1200
Misa +1200
Snuggerud +1600
Howard + 1600 (no good and LOL)
Nikishin +1800
Parekh +2000
Leonard +2000
Askarov +2500
Shabanov +2800

Other Flames

Carter King +10000
Aydar Suniev +15000

[TheScorpion]

Surprised Savoie and Howard aren't both +150, Oilers fans would lap that up

[jg13]

Is Misa even a lock to play this year in the NHL?

Kinda shocked he's given significantly higher odds to win the calder over Parekh

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by jg13

Is Misa even a lock to play this year in the NHL?

Kinda shocked he's given significantly higher odds to win the calder over Parekh

If I understand correctly, the odds aren’t “given”, they are based on bets placed so far - and the numbers are being adjusted constantly - this allows the house to take on as little risk as possible.