2007 NFL Regular Season

[Bobblehead]

I'm not a huge fan of the time-out at the last possible millisecond, but I wonder what people will say after the first time the kicker misses that first kick but makes the second.

I'm with Troutman on this one - I don't think icing the kicker does much. Making a long field goal twice in a row is more likely the reason 2 of the 3 have missed. If you want pressure then I don't think it gets much bigger than a prime time game like last night.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I'm pretty sure that has happened before bobblehead. I can't give you a specific instance, but I'd bet my paycheck that it has happened.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I'm pretty sure that has happened before bobblehead. I can't give you a specific instance, but I'd bet my paycheck that it has happened.

Probably, but not since the coaches could call time outs.

Although if you noticed last night, Jauron asked for the time out about 3 times before the ref did anything.

[Flames in 07]

The last millisecond thing has started this year ... coinciding with the coaches being able to call TO.

[Flames4LifeFLA]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

They are showing interviews with the Houston Dlineman who's knee probably ended Green's career, and I can see the media line up all week looking to roast the guy.

I'm a past defensive player and past defensive coach so I'm biased here, but Trent green laid a dirty hit down on that guy. It's awful that he got hurt, but that lineman has all the right in the world to be pi$$ed at him.

I'm not positive but I believe chops are only allowed beween the tackles and up to 5 yards off the line ... and can't be engaged with anyone else. I only saw the play live and then a reply or 2, but I believe they were about 10 to 15 behind the line. Regardless there is a million ways you get a penalty for hitting a QB, I don't need to see QB's diving at players knees when they aren't looking. I hope Trent recovers, and I hope they leave that poor dlineman alone.

I had a class with this guy at Florida State, Travis Johnson.

[Flames in 07]

So am I to understand that at Seminole football player was in a classroom at some point?

Seriously I haven't heard much about him this week which is a good thing. The media is giving him a pass, probably because he apologized afterwards ... that and becuase it was a dirty hit.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

The last millisecond thing has started this year ... coinciding with the coaches being able to call TO.

Coaches have been able to call timeout before this year.

Additionally, I've seen TO called on the field milliseconds before a ball is snapped for years.

You guys are reaching.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Coaches have been able to call timeout before this year.

Additionally, I've seen TO called on the field milliseconds before a ball is snapped for years.

You guys are reaching.

I guess we are reaching but it really is annoying. And snapping it milliseconds is new this year so the media is bringing it up, especially since it was on MNF. What's next? A team has a couple of timeouts left and will make a kicker kick it 3 times. How about using all 3 of your timeouts to make him kick it 4 times?

[GirlySports]

Switching gears, here's a wonderful article about what NFL referee's go through before each game. Featuring everyone's favourite, Ed Hochuli.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...fficials_N.htm

[Flames4LifeFLA]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

So am I to understand that at Seminole football player was in a classroom at some point?

Hehe, well, he wasn't there that much!

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I guess we are reaching but it really is annoying. And snapping it milliseconds is new this year so the media is bringing it up, especially since it was on MNF. What's next? A team has a couple of timeouts left and will make a kicker kick it 3 times. How about using all 3 of your timeouts to make him kick it 4 times?

Actually I don't think a team can call more than one of their timeouts on the same snap.

And unless the coaches/players are prescient, they may in reality be giving the kicker a second chance to kick twice.

And while the players themselves may have always been able call a time out right before the kick, they were on the field and it was obvious to everyone what was going on. With the coaches on the sidelines doing it there is much more of a surpise, WTF is going on, what happened factor.

[Sainters7]

Are we still talking about the timeout thing? This has been an ongoing discussion in this thread about the "underhanded" use of timeouts basically since Shanahan pulled the move in week 2(1? One or the other). Frankly I dont see the big deal, I think its smart coaching. It rattles the kicker and gets him off his game(in theory anyways).

I'm actually shocked its turned into this big of a debate, this thread has become rather boring the past two pages.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

2 for 3 this year.

We need a bigger sample size than 3.

[Sylvanfan]

Well onto some proper NFL News.....

Vinny Testeverde still ain't done!!!
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/news_story/?ID=220282&hubname=

Signs on with the Panthers to serve as a backup for David Carr now that Delhomme is out for the season. Folks mock the AFC West as being the worst division in football, but really it's gotta be close to the NFC South. That AFC East would be a horrible division if it wasn't for the Pats. You have New Endland at 5-0 and they are all world, two teams at 1-4 and one at 0-5. The two teams with a single win got that win inside the division. But I guess it's hard to call a division weak when the Superbowl champion lives there.

The Cardinals also inked Tim Rattay yesterday to be Kurt Warners backup now that Leinhart is out for the season as well.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I guess we are reaching but it really is annoying. And snapping it milliseconds is new this year so the media is bringing it up, especially since it was on MNF. What's next? A team has a couple of timeouts left and will make a kicker kick it 3 times. How about using all 3 of your timeouts to make him kick it 4 times?

You do know that a team can only call one timeout per play, right?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You do know that a team can only call one timeout per play, right?

I do now! Thanks!

[ben voyonsdonc]

Something I thought of...what if Folk missed the first attempt on the field goal but the timeout gave him the opportunity to try again...and he made it? That would have been pretty crazy. I doubt that Bills fans would have liked the idea of calling the timeout.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Personally, I don't think it was a bad or unethical move by the Bills. It is completely within the rules and even Wade Phillips said he would do it. I don't think it is a good rule but I think that Jauron was fully within his rights to call that timeout.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Something I thought of...what if Folk missed the first attempt on the field goal but the timeout gave him the opportunity to try again...and he made it? That would have been pretty crazy. I doubt that Bills fans would have liked the idea of calling the timeout.

They were talking to Titans coach Jeff Fisher about that play on Sirius NFL radio this morning, and Fisher posed that very scenario. He seems to think if that ever happened, you'd stop seeing these last split-second timeouts. He also said he thinks its actually an advantage for the kicker, because if he's already kicked it, especially if he missed, it gives him valuable information about just exactly how he should kick it(ie if theres a cross breeze which sails his ball wide right, he may aim more left on the second kick). I personally have no problems pullin "the Shanny", but I thought Fisher made some good points.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by troutman

We need a bigger sample size than 3.

It's all we got for this year, and this rarely happened in the past.