[Trade] David Jones to Wild for G Niklas Backstrom and a 2016 6th round pick

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

No the Flames can't sit anybody because they are at 12 forwards.

Trading Jones opened up a spot because we had 12 forwards. That spot is now being taken up by Hathaway who was recalled.

Not sure how many times we have to repeat this before you get it.

who could have also been recalled before the deadline. but i am done wasting my time on this topic. seems to me this is more an anti-jones lynch mob than anything. honestly with how people treat the players here, i don't know how we sign any free agents

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

him being on the team does not mean you have to play him, funny how that works. or they could sit bollig, or stajan or jooris, you know guys that have been healthy scratches plenty this year. oh look at that spots have been opened.

Treliving specifically said that he wants to have only the minimum number of healthy players on the roster so that he doesn't have to use non-emergency callups. That means that if you are on the team and healthy, you have to play. So you are wrong again.

now if you would like to stop being a condescending prick, it would be appreciated

You were a condescending prick first. After you.

[Jason14h]

So? These starts for Ortio are developmental. We're not making the playoffs, they know it, we know it. So why the pitchforks for a kid trying to find some footing in the NHL.

Where were the pitchforks? People are asking what happened to the "always earned" mantra.

And what if the team KNOWS Ortio isn't in their plans for next year. Doesn't it make more sense to see if Backstrum could be a backup?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

who could have also been recalled before the deadline. but i am done wasting my time on this topic. seems to me this is more an anti-jones lynch mob than anything. honestly with how people treat the players here, i don't know how we sign any free agents

We all agree, except for you, that it's better to get a pick for Jones than let him walk for nothing. Somehow, in your mind, that gets twisted into a lynch mob. The mods will probably ding me for saying this, but that's delusional thinking on your part.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

Regarding all of the posts about Backstrom being guaranteed playing time being the reason he lifted his NTC, I also heard this speculation on the fan, however I then heard Steinberg interview Backstrom shortly after the trade was confirmed and Backstrom implicitly stated that he hadn't had any conversations regarding what his usage in Calgary was going to be.

Yeah this whole "Backstrom was guaranteed playing time to waive" is complete speculative horse**** made worse by Millions. I like the guy but man he spreads a lot of misinformation.

Treliving admitted in interview on the Fan about the trade that acquiring Backstrom wasn't about getting someone to play goal for us. Backstrom waived because he hasn't played a game in a year, and we were willing to take him, so duh you waive just for the chance. But a promise? Asinine

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

No the Flames can't sit anybody because they are at 12 forwards.

Trading Jones opened up a spot because we had 12 forwards. That spot is now being taken up by Hathaway who was recalled.

Not sure how many times we have to repeat this before you get it.

I'm afraid we can go on repeating it forever and Alberta_Beef will never get it. He (she?) announced his (her?) intention not to get anything:

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I don't think a 6th round pick for a serviceable player is a good trade even if you get the pick for "nothing". Nothing can be said will convince me that it is.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

who could have also been recalled before the deadline. but i am done wasting my time on this topic. seems to me this is more an anti-jones lynch mob than anything. honestly with how people treat the players here, i don't know how we sign any free agents

Yes we could've recalled Hathaway and not moved Jones. But you and I both know that Hartley wouldn't have scratched Jones to play Hathaway. So trading Jones open up a spot in the lineup that Hartley is forced to play a young player in. Get it yet?

Yeah it appears to be an anti-Jones lynch mob, that's it! LOL

[PeteMoss]

Ortio needs I believe 8 more games or else he becomes a UFA. Would be brutal asset management to have Backstrom and Hiller let that happen if they have any desire to keep him around.

Basically if they send him down and keep him down - they have no desire for him to be in the organization.

[Traditional_Ale]

Am I the only one who actually feels relieved that we got a guy, even though he hasn't played in over a year, rather than think about finishing the season with Ortio and Hiller?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ortio needs I believe 8 more games or else he becomes a UFA. Would be brutal asset management to have Backstrom and Hiller let that happen if they have any desire to keep him around.

Basically if they send him down and keep him down - they have no desire for him to be in the organization.

With his play this year, both in the AHL and NHL, are we sure they'd even want to keep him?

[Enoch Root]

Here are the last six 6th round picks for the Flames:

2009: Ortio (on the roster)
2011: Brossoit (traded for a roster player)
2012: Coda Gordon (bust)
2013: Harrison (probably a bust)
2014: Ollas-Mattsson (played in the WJCs and is still very much a dark horse prospect)
2105: Mangiapane (almost certainly slips into our top 10 on the prospect list this summer)

So out of 6, there are 2 guys currently in the NHL and 2 with a shot

Seems to me that there is at least some value in a 6th round pick

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ortio needs I believe 8 more games or else he becomes a UFA. Would be brutal asset management to have Backstrom and Hiller let that happen if they have any desire to keep him around.

Basically if they send him down and keep him down - they have no desire for him to be in the organization.

Just because he goes UFA doesn't mean the Flames can't sign him either before that happens or after. Ortio was available, free of charge, to all other teams on waivers this season. No one is knocking down the doors for his service.

[tvp2003]

Any chance Backstrom would agree to an AHL conditioning stint? I mean, the guy hasn't played a game all season -- I have a bad feeling he'd get lit up like a Christmas tree (especially with our suspect defence/PK).

P.S. To the people crapping on the 6th round pick, one of the "assets" we acquired yesterday was a 7th round pick.

[Jay Random]

Can you even send players down on conditioning stints after the deadline? The CBA doesn't say anything about it, but I'm not familiar with the AHL's rules for eligibility.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Arguments on CP blow me away sometimes. I open up this thread thinking "hmm, pretty minor trade I wonder why there's so much discussion today?".

Well as it turns out there's actually posters trying to argue that a trade that swapped two expiring contracts, and opened up a forward position for us to try out some AHLer's AND gave us a 6th round pick is somehow a bad trade for the Flames, in a season that's already lost.

You can certainly argue that it's a pretty "meh" trade, I don't think you'd have many arguing that, but it's still a good "meh" trade, there shouldn't be anyone saying it's a bad "meh" trade. Yet here were are. Unbelievable.

That's me to a T

Saw 18 pages and wondered if the deal fell through, background on how the deal went down, some controversy on Backstrom and his NTC

instead people upset about losing Jones for a 6th ...

good for business, bad for sanity

[dammage79]

David Jones who? We barely knew him, with the constant string of injuries and all. Then when he was healthy, for the most part save for a few moments in the years he has been here, was a ghost.

It is weird that there's some winging about the trade. we got rid of a severely overpaid player who barely made a mark in his time here. Because when he almost made a mark, he hurt himself doing so.

And I loved the trade for Jones when Feaster made it. I'd rather have ghostly Jones than Whiny baby Tanguay. That was a great trade solely for the fact the locker was turning the page on the Iggy era.

[CMPunk]

Looks like Backstrom is going to get into some games

Sean Kelso ‏@kelsohockey

Mark DePasquale, the @NHLFlames equipment guru is converting Backstrom's pads from Minnesota Wild to Flames colours

[dammage79]

I still think Backstrom could be re-signed on a 1 year deal to better mentor Ortio. He's much more capable than Hiller and the current goalie coach.

I miss Malarchuk, he had a better read on this stable of goalies.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

who could have also been recalled before the deadline. but i am done wasting my time on this topic. seems to me this is more an anti-jones lynch mob than anything. honestly with how people treat the players here, i don't know how we sign any free agents

Millions of dollars probably helps.

[Jason14h]

I still think Backstrom could be re-signed on a 1 year deal to better mentor Ortio

I agree with part 1. However, I do not believe the Flames want Ortio back.