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2Stonedbirds · 11-13-2015, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Remember that big terrorist attack in France in January? That happened before they opened the floodgates.

Getting into the EU is as simple as finding a boat across the Mediterranean.

And this isn't seen as a problem?

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

D as in David · 11-13-2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

And this isn't seen as a problem?

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Build a wall around the EU, Trump-style!

wittynickname · 11-13-2015, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrns

Trudeau didn't seem very strong during that press conference he just had. He looked pretty shaken and didn't even denounce the attack or even call it a terrorist attack. He called it an "incident"

Obama's response was much better.

Pretty sure that after nearly 7 years as President, Obama's far more used to press conferences of this nature than is a guy who's been in office for like a week.

Less of a weakness and more of an experience thing. Obama's had quite a lot of experience dealing with tragic event press conferences in his time as President, given the number of shootings/killings he's had to talk about.

cDnStealth · 11-13-2015, 06:52 PM

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Germany’s Interior Minister, Thomas de Maizière, said early Saturday that he had offered to send military assistance to France if requested.

“I am in close contact with my French colleague and have offered assistance through German special forces,” Mr. de Maizière said in a statement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/wo...acks.html?_r=0

taco.vidal · 11-13-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wittynickname

Pretty sure that after nearly 7 years as President, Obama's far more used to press conferences of this nature than is a guy who's been in office for like a week.

Less of a weakness and more of an experience thing. Obama's had quite a lot of experience dealing with tragic event press conferences in his time as President, given the number of shootings/killings he's had to talk about.

Yep, Trudeau has had next to no experience.

corporatejay · 11-13-2015, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Yep, Trudeau has had next to no experience.

Just not ready.

2Stonedbirds · 11-13-2015, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by D as in David

Build a wall around the EU, Trump-style!

They should just maintain the status quo, as it's been such a resounding success.

CaptainCrunch · 11-13-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Trudeau shows his emotional side more than the robot we had before, so it's understandable if people are shocked by his reaction.

He didn't need to go on TV right away, he could have taken time to collect himself and his remarks.

A simple, the Prime Minister is consulting with his cabinet would have sufficed.

CroFlames · 11-13-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wittynickname

Pretty sure that after nearly 7 years as President, Obama's far more used to press conferences of this nature than is a guy who's been in office for like a week.

Less of a weakness and more of an experience thing. Obama's had quite a lot of experience dealing with tragic event press conferences in his time as President, given the number of shootings/killings he's had to talk about.

Yeah but it's not like he's Justin has never had a press conference either. It's not hard to strongly condemn something, express your sympathy, and show your solidarity with your ally.

Why be wishy washy about it? I was disappointed with his address.

Igottago · 11-13-2015, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yeah but it's not like he's Justin has never had a press conference either. It's not hard to strongly condemn something, express your sympathy, and show your solidarity with your ally.

Why be wishy washy about it? I was disappointed with his address.

What did he say?

CaptainCrunch · 11-13-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cDnStealth

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/wo...acks.html?_r=0

To me it would be very weird to see German Troops patrolling Paris again. I know that's not what he's getting at but that was my first through.

Germany has some excellent anti-terrorist capabilities including GSG-9 that might come in handy, over the next few days.

I expect that France will be kicking a lot of doors in over the next 48 hours.

EldrickOnIce · 11-13-2015, 06:57 PM

I don't think that's quite it.
The more I think about it, the less I like Canada's (Trudeau's) response - and I watched it.
I think we have to, as a nation, strongly denounce it. We don't attribute it to anything/anyone. We don't make a knee jerk reaction and change policy. We say we will help in any way we can to find those behind it, or something.
We say more than just 'I'm sorry'.

Is it still fear mongering to suggest the ISIS threat 'at home' is real?
Would Parisians agree?

CaptainCrunch · 11-13-2015, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I don't think that's quite it.
The more I think about it, the less I like Canada's (Trudeau's) response - and I watched it.
I think we have to, as a nation, strongly denounce it. We don't attribute it to anything/anyone. We don't make a knee jerk reaction and change policy. We say we will help in any way we can to find those behind it, or something.
We say more than just 'I'm sorry'.

Is it still fear mongering to suggest the ISIS threat 'at home' is real?
Would Parisians agree?

a bit, my concern stands with how we're screening the refugees, but I'm not at the point of sitting there saying that we should view every refugee with suspicion.

At this point though the opposition is obligated to ask questions about the screening process.

FlamesAddiction · 11-13-2015, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

Syrian refugees are not going to be violent. If they had any violence in them they would be able to defeat ISIS who they badlyout number. They are scared, desperate, weak people who simply just need help

Most are non-violent, but all it will take is a few bad apples to destroy any goodwill.

I was watching videos on LiveLeak and there was riot in Germany not that long ago with Syrians destroying a restaurant. There was also an interview with one Syrian man in a camp stating that they know some of the people in the camp are ISIS and are trying to radicalize others at night.

Igottago · 11-13-2015, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I don't think that's quite it.
The more I think about it, the less I like Canada's (Trudeau's) response - and I watched it.
I think we have to, as a nation, strongly denounce it. We don't attribute it to anything/anyone. We don't make a knee jerk reaction and change policy. We say we will help in any way we can to find those behind it, or something.
We say more than just 'I'm sorry'.

Is it still fear mongering to suggest the ISIS threat 'at home' is real?
Would Parisians agree?

They haven't even determined who it was yet.
This is the time for sympathy, not bravado. I don't really have an issue with Trudeau's statement.

RougeUnderoos · 11-13-2015, 07:03 PM

Sheesh, this is an ongoing tragedy and people are griping about the rookie PM's body language.

jschick88 · 11-13-2015, 07:04 PM

@washingtonpost
French President Hollande: "We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless."

EldrickOnIce · 11-13-2015, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

They haven't even determined who it was yet. This is the time for sympathy, not bravado.

No, that was my thought - not one our government should take. He was correct in saying it is too soon to attribute it to anything or anyone.

But now is the time for strength (not bravado) and sympathy.
Not just sympathy.

corporatejay · 11-13-2015, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

They haven't even determined who it was yet.
This is the time for sympathy, not bravado. I don't really have an issue with Trudeau's statement.

I care more about what he's actually going to do and less about what he said in the immediacy.

Thor · 11-13-2015, 07:05 PM

"I am shocked and saddened that so many people have been killed and injured today in a number of terrorist attacks in Paris, France, and that many others are being held hostage, As the situation continues to unfold, Sophie and I join all Canadians in extending our deepest condolences to the families and friends of those killed. It is our sincere hope that the hostages are freed unharmed as soon as possible. We also wish a speedy recovery to all those who have been injured."

Trudeau said Canada was prepared to offer France whatever assistance it needs.

"Canada stands with France at this dark time and offers all possible assistance. We will continue to work closely with the international community to help prevent these terrible, senseless acts."

Scumbag.