I go from wanting Draisatl to not and back and forth.
Keep thinking of this guy as a comparison.
XXX is a pure sniper with both good shooting and deking abilities in close. He has an uncanny knack for finding loose pucks, finding the space to make himself available for a pass and being in the right spot to bury rebounds. But his skating is average at best. How he will adjust to less time and space in the pros is an open question. At 6’2, 185 lbs he doesn’t use his size particularly well and he’s not an overly physical force. He is extremely effective when he has the time to set up and shoot or on odd-man rushes. His defensive play will need improvement.
My first guess was Nemisz...but XXX is X. Huge stroke of luck for Team Y.
Ya never know, but odds are Draitsaitl does not bust.
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Reason: Keep the guessing game going
Sure but Getzlaf was a guy with character issues at the draft and he seemed to overcome them. Kane had character issues as well and he turned out okay.
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If I recall correctly Getzlaf didn't have issues with his character prior to being drafted, he had lazy and weight issues, much like Nick Ritchie this year.
If I recall correctly Getzlaf didn't have issues with his character prior to being drafted, he had lazy and weight issues, much like Nick Ritchie this year.
Laziness seems like a character issue that would keep teams away.
When I think character issue I think a real dbag, not a guy who needs to hit the gym more or be guided into healthy choices. Maybe laziness was a harsh term for Getzlaf, maybe fitness?
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I agree that laziness isn't as big a deal as others but I also haven't heard/read/seen that his "issues" are much worse.
Seems like a couple of message board folks that aren't a fan of him not really damning stuff and far from the character issues that we have seen from others.
I personally wouldn't put Getzlaf or Shinkaruk in the category of character issue guys but they are both guys that I would likely have wanted to look into further before drafting.
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Came across this on HF, but how does everyone else feel about a trade revolving around the Flames' 4th overall + Hudler for Jets' 9th Overall + Evander Kane. I think its a good base for a trade, even though I'm sure the jets would ask for a tad more.
Jets could come out of the trade with Sam Bennett + Hudler and the flames could nab Fleury or possibly Nick Ritchie + Evander Kane. Would make the flames a harder team to play against in the future.
Came across this on HF, but how does everyone else feel about a trade revolving around the Flames' 4th overall + Hudler for Jets' 9th Overall + Evander Kane. I think its a good base for a trade, even though I'm sure the jets would ask for a tad more.
Jets could come out of the trade with Sam Bennett + Hudler and the flames could nab Fleury or possibly Nick Ritchie + Evander Kane. Would make the flames a harder team to play against in the future.
I think the Flames would likely do that. I would hope that they already have another trade in place to flip Kane for a different young player or Hartley and Burke are convinced they can whip him into shape.
Came across this on HF, but how does everyone else feel about a trade revolving around the Flames' 4th overall + Hudler for Jets' 9th Overall + Evander Kane. I think its a good base for a trade, even though I'm sure the jets would ask for a tad more.
Jets could come out of the trade with Sam Bennett + Hudler and the flames could nab Fleury or possibly Nick Ritchie + Evander Kane. Would make the flames a harder team to play against in the future.
It seems to be pretty close value wise but Kane seems like a me first player that doesn't fit into the culture the Flames are trying to build. He does have a ton of speed and some jam though which is what the Flames are looking for.
The main reason I don't like this move is it could result in the flames trying to go for it next year. I want them to draft Bennett/MDC/Draisaitl put him back in junior and keep the status quo for one more year. 2015/16 Sven, Johnny, 2014 1st, 2015 1st could all be full time NHLers joining the young core the Flames already have. Then bring in some UFA's and build a roster to compete.
Kane's attitude and contract status isn't worth his talent.
The 4th pick has a good chance of being better, without the attitude and under control for longer when the team is ready to compete.
Also not sure why the Jets would have a lot of interest in Hudler. They seem to have enough secondary guys on their team and it isn't like Hudler is on some great deal. Better for them to just sign a FA to fill the role Hudler would on their team.
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You clearly wouldn't recognize sarcasm if it hit you on the side of the head.
There is a difference when various people around the league and scouting sources (who are free to have their own perspectives) say there is the same clear cut top 5. Ritchie for example (who I think is who you were talking about) is not included in those five. Also we're not drafting 5th, we're drafting 4th.
I think you got it half right. There is always a top tier in every draft class that is identified by draft time. After that tier, it is often a toss up. A player at 15 can pass the player at 8. But that top group or tier of players is often identified and thoroughly followed and studied, and much more often than not, they get that first handful of players right, as either having the highest ceiling, or at least being the most likely to make it at the next level. Sure, there is the odd time they're way off on a top ranked prospect, but nowadays it's rare.
If this top group includes 7 players, then sure you can take #7 at #4, it's not that much of a reach if they're considered more or less on the same level. When that group includes 5 player, unless your scouts are convinced they see something special in a kid, why the hell would you reach beyond the group that's considered by many above the rest?
I'm not too worried, cause I think the Flames scouts will make the right choice and play it safe, but I'm sick of people thinking they're smarter than these scouts, and dismiss the rankings. Sure, the rankings may change as the players develop. But it's very likely that the top handful of players who were identified early on will remain intact, and in a weaker draft year, I really think we shouldn't mess around or take chances, as small as you might perceive the risk to be.
This whole discussion started as a rebuttal to people making absolute statements about this player or that player being a huge mistake.
My point was that there is no board, there is no unilateral, correct list. There are almost always a few at the top that are clearly separate from the field (I think most would say there are 3 in that camp this year). But beyond that, the differences in the next group are more a question of preference and valuing this attribute over that attribute, than a case of one being better than the other.
As a result, I will trust the scouts and not flip out if they pick Ritchie.
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You know what? With how all these kids are doing on the Farm and growing better than any of us had anticipated, I sincerely hope they take Draisaitl if one of the Sams don't drop.
You can't put down a kid who's potted 108 points in a season and three playoff games. You just can't. Kid is going to be good. Damned good.
There's going to be a glut of Wingers coming up through the system as it stands now. Take another center and become the deepest you can at that position.
I really really really really want Bennett to drop though. The thought of him, Poirier and a guy like Byron just screams Doom and Speed coming at the opposition. I want that kind of line more than anything.
There are plenty of guys who in their draft year put up huge numbers and then flunked out at the NHL level. Especially guys like Draisaitl who are soft with questionable motors.
I don't know how anyone can say so definitively that these guys are going to be good or great outside of maybe Ekblad.
I don't think Draisaitl will be very good but I know enough about prospects to not be so definitive about it.
It has been said that Drasaitl has the tools to be the best player in the draft but he has to improve his foot speed and play bigger. If he is able to make some changes to his game he could be elite but is he doesn't height not turn into a top 6 forward.
I hope the Oilers take him but I get the feeling they go with whoever is left out of the big 3. I want Calgary to take the right player and I will likely get behind whoever they draft. I just am not sold on Drasaitl being a sure fire stud and rather take the safer pick in MDC
I really want to see Edmonton take Drasaitl. He does not seem like a Burke type player and if he is available at number 4 I wouldn't be surprised if Calgary passed on him. I would love to see Sam Bennett in a flames jersey, he looks to me like he fits the mold the Flames are creating.
Came across this on HF, but how does everyone else feel about a trade revolving around the Flames' 4th overall + Hudler for Jets' 9th Overall + Evander Kane. I think its a good base for a trade, even though I'm sure the jets would ask for a tad more.
Jets could come out of the trade with Sam Bennett + Hudler and the flames could nab Fleury or possibly Nick Ritchie + Evander Kane. Would make the flames a harder team to play against in the future.
No thanks. Evander Kane is a headcase and I would rather Flames gamble in hoping to get a chance to pick Reinhart or Bennett. I am not sure if Flames will get a chance to get either one. I really think Ekblad, Reinhart and Bennett are the Top 3. Then the next group should be Draisaitl then Dal Colle. After that you will have another group.
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Seeing the big-bodied presence of Ryan Johansen come into his own makes you wonder if Draisaitl is a better option than Bennett or Reinhart
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Seeing the big-bodied presence of Ryan Johansen come into his own makes you wonder if Draisaitl is a better option than Bennett or Reinhart
Yes Bob - you tell 'em! Let the Draisaitl love flow through you.
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Seeing the big-bodied presence of Ryan Johansen come into his own makes you wonder if Draisaitl is a better option than Bennett or Reinhart
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