[GT] Flames @ Coyotes

[dino7c]

The 1st overall team was a minute away from losing to the Hawks tonight

Flames have been good for a while other than the odd game

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheMagicMan

Why aren't these guys like celebrating like a hat trick goal. Sharky's last two goal celebration were like ho hum. Seems like the guys aren't close. Thoughts?

It’s a runaway game. Overcelebrating is Yakupovesque.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheMagicMan

Why aren't these guys like celebrating like a hat trick goal. Sharky's last two goal celebration were like ho hum. Seems like the guys aren't close. Thoughts?

It's a blowout

[timbit]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Arizona cannot be happy to get their teeth kicked in by a bottom feeder.

Kinda like how the Flames felt after the Chicago game.

Grow up!

[WhiteTiger]

C'mon, Flames. Stop dicking around and get it out of your end!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

+/- is indeed a dumb stat!

You play big minutes on a mediocre to bad team, you’re a significant minus.

You play big minutes on good to very good team , you’re a significant plus.

More for me it records nothing about what the player did that led to the plus or the minus, if anything. Example - I’ve seen Huberdeau get a minus from the opposite side of the ice - nothing to do with him. I’ve seen Coleman score on a transition just when Huberdeau got off on the line change. No plus for Huberdeau.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huberdeau and Sharangovich building that chemistry. It's why you don't break up lines a few games into it.

The fact that the coaches did that in each of the last two seasons, and then the team immediately went on a losing streak is mind blowing to me.

Like you would have thought that at least Huska and co would have learned from
When they made that exact same mistake last year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by timbit

Grow up!

Oiler fans pretending to be Flame fans are the worst.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TheMagicMan

Why aren't these guys like celebrating like a hat trick goal. Sharky's last two goal celebration were like ho hum. Seems like the guys aren't close. Thoughts?

Same reason Rick Ball is a total pro and Jack Michaels is a total asshat.

[WhiteTiger]

Aw, yeah! Way to go, Flames!

[Reggie Dunlop]

Flames win!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The 1st overall team was a minute away from losing to the Hawks tonight

Flames.habe been good for a while other than the odd game

Flames don't really get their teeth kicked in by any one this year. Most losses are pretty close affairs.

But they've been kicking in some teeth of late.

Seems like they're rarely out-classed. But they do frustrate with how they fail to pick up points when they should.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Same reason Rick Ball is a total pro and Jack Michaels is a total asshat.

What a contrast, eh?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by timbit

+/- is indeed a dumb stat!

You play big minutes on a mediocre to bad team, you’re a significant minus.

You play big minutes on good to very good team , you’re a significant plus.

And if you're on the PK, it can only increase your +/-, while playing on the PP can only decrease it.

[3rd liner]

Why is O’Brien on the ice at the end there? After the scrum looked like he was yapping at Zary for mixing it up with Cooley. Pretty tough guy there Liam. Go wax your beard.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

And if you're on the PK, it can only increase your +/-, while playing on the PP can only decrease it.

What?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by timbit

What?

You can’t get a minus when you give up a goal on the PK but can get a plus when you get a short handed goal. You can’t get a plus when you score a PP goal but can get a minus when you give up a shortie.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

More for me it records nothing about what the player did that led to the plus or the minus, if anything. Example - I’ve seen Huberdeau get a minus from the opposite side of the ice - nothing to do with him. I’ve seen Coleman score on a transition just when Huberdeau got off on the line change. No plus for Huberdeau.

Yeah, but this is true for every hockey stat. It's a team game, and if things go well when you're on the ice, you get positive stats. If they go poorly, you get negative ones. Regardless of your individual contribution to the events. Also, line-mates and deployment/usage matter tremendously. As does luck.

Hockey stats are blunt and largely uninformative. All of them. I never understood why people want to single out +- for this fact, when it's true across the board.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, but this is true for every hockey stat. It's a team game, and if things go well when you're on the ice, you get positive stats. If they go poorly, you get negative ones. Regardless of your individual contribution to the events. Also, line-mates and deployment/usage matter tremendously. As does luck.

Hockey stats are blunt and largely uninformative. All of them. I never understood why people want to single out +- for this fact, when it's true across the board.

Some are better than others, but yes, individual stats like that are problematic.
You won't see me argue stats for players too often. Team ones are better.
Maybe line combination stats are better.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Regarding +/-

Offensive players are on the ice for PP and when their team pulls the goalie when down in the last few minutes. They get scored on , they get a minus.

Defensive players are on the ice for pk and when leading when other team pulls their goalie. Score short handed, they get a + . Empty net goal 5 on 6 they get a +.


Conclusion : as both of you have mentioned, not a stat I use when analyzing a players game performance.