Jacob Markstrom (is better than Cam Talbot)

[djsFlames]

Well one OT loss was off of an an illegal play.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Do you have a link for that? I'm curious about the details.

You got it. He was on the radio on the Fan

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-nin...s-carter-hart/

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Thank goodness the Flames locked Markstrom up at a $6 million AAV before unleashing Sutter on him. Imagine if he was a pending UFA and kept this up all season? He'd be entering Price/Bobrovski/Vasilevskiy contract territory.

Some people a few weeks ago were saying he was overpaid and would never live up to that contract.

Tabot > Markstrom, remember? LOL

Thankfully those voices are few and far in between these days. That contract as of now, looks like an absolute steal.

[t0rrent98]

Markstrom proving that last year was a write off... Definitely off to a great start. Hope he and the team keep it going throughout the year and finish strong.

The mask is killer everytime I see it up close. The other teams are scared to shoot when they see the skull...��

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Some people a few weeks ago were saying he was overpaid and would never live up to that contract.

Tabot > Markstrom, remember? LOL

Thankfully those voices are few and far in between these days. That contract as of now, looks like an absolute steal.

An absolute steal? The shutouts have been nice, but only five of nine of Markstrom's starts have been quality starts. Not surprisingly, the four starts which were not quality starts were all losses.

Sutter has mentioned that the team needs guys' B games to be good enough, not just their A game. I think that applies to Markstrom, whose A game has been awesome and whose B game has failed to win a game.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

An absolute steal? The shutouts have been nice, but only five of nine of Markstrom's starts have been quality starts. Not surprisingly, the four starts which were not quality starts were all losses.

Sutter has mentioned that the team needs guys' B games to be good enough, not just their A game. I think that applies to Markstrom, whose A game has been awesome and whose B game has failed to win a game.

3 of those 4 loses where OT games. That's different than a regulation loss.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

3 of those 4 loses where OT games. That's different than a regulation loss.

Maybe dig in to that a bit more.

How is it different, and what does that imply?

[dino7c]

The goal posts

Now that Markstrom's numbers are elite by the standards set earlier in this thread we have new metrics coming out

4 shutouts in 9 games to start a season has been done 3 other times in NHL history

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Maybe dig in to that a bit more.

How is it different, and what does that imply?

Because the team got 3 points

Another 1.5 wins

I would say the Preds and Ducks losses are on the forwards for missing chances too

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The goal posts

Now that Markstrom's numbers are elite by the standards set earlier in this thread we have new metrics coming out

4 shutouts in 9 games to start a season has been done 3 other times in NHL history

There is no goalpost being changed. I made this post on page 2 of this thread:

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

In Markstrom's claim to fame year, he had a QS% of .581 which is... a good year, but not a superstar year. His career QS% is .518

In Price's peak year, he had a QS% of .667 - and his CAREER QS% is .574

See the huge gap there? Most people would tell you Carey Price is overpaid - even though his average year is about on par with Markstrom's absolute best possible year.

Markstrom has had two starts this year and neither is, statistically, a quality start. It's astounding the free pass he's been given. David Rittich as a Flame had a QS% of .559 and few felt he was good enough. Markstrom's is good enough though, somehow. Because [insert Canucks had bad D excuse, even though we know defense does not impact goalie performance outside of shot volume]

Nine games into this season Markstrom's QS% on the season is .556 which is about equal to what I stated David Rittich gave us over his Flames career.

Expecting a higher ratio of quality starts than David Rittich before annointing him "an absolute steal" at $6M is not changing the goalpost.

You can talk about OT all you want, but Markstrom was fortunate Kylington tied up the Preds game, and Zadorov tied up the Stars game. And I would say the soft goal he allowed during the Ducks game was the only reason it went to OT.

I get that Goalies are not going to have their A game every night. But elite goalies have their B game when they don't have their A game.

If a game below average is a C- or D game, then Markstrom has already had four of those, because none of his losses, overtime or otherwise, were C games.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I will agree that we are all pleased that the team is on a 10 game point streak, and that there have been 4 shutouts

I was more curious about the differences in play in OT rather than loser points (which are still points). Remember Sutter’s comments about shutouts being a team concept thing?

You know what Markstrom’s sv% is in OT? .400

Ouch. Anaheim outshot Calgary 3-1 in their OT win, and both the Preds and Stars games, OT shots were 1-1. 3 GA on 5 shots.

That’s without the usual team D, right?

I’d love to see Markstrom crush Tony Esposito’s 15 shutout record. But let’s not gloss over the contribution of the team in front of him. Pretty sure he wouldn’t.

[GioforPM]

Did we all discount Vasilevskiy because he had a powerhouse team in front of him? I forget.

[Textcritic]

The amount of rhetoric in this thread from a few posters to validate their earlier bad takes (I will remind everyone that Cam Talbot presently has the #31 ranked save percentage among goalies who have played 5+ games) is both hilarious and unsurprising.

Keep digging, you guys. Markstrom is playing great.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Did we all discount Vasilevskiy because he had a powerhouse team in front of him? I forget.

Since 2018, Vasilevskiy has had a QS% of .603

In the playoffs, he has a career QS% of .645

No one - absolutely no one - is taking away from Markstrom's shutouts. Even after a strong team game, teams will have given up an expected GA of around 1.5 or so. So it's on the goalie to make some saves and Markstrom has earned a shutout on some nights.

But when you're allowing 4 goals on 1.83 xGA like Markstrom did against Dallas, or 3 goals on 1.38 xGA like Markstrom did against Nashville, or 3 goals on 1.87 xGA like Markstrom did against Anaheim, or 4 goals on 3.28 xGA like Markstrom did against Edmonton... you haven't been "an absolute steal" considering that's four out of nine games you've played.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^^ *sigh *

drive by trash post up there, not unusual

Nobody is displeased with Markstrom’s results

You want to dispute any of the comments from Sutter or Woodley?

[Vinny01]

When the Flames made this move it impacted all 3 Western Canadian teams. Vancouver lost their starter and MVP of their second round run however they had to let him go thanks to the looming expansion draft. It was the right call for the Canucks as Demko is a top end goalie who is younger and cheaper.

The 2 Alberta teams were ready to pounce and the Flames 6x6 beat out the Oilers 5x7 offer by $1M. Markstrom chose the nicer city where there are many of his countrymen opposed to the team with the best player in the world. Oiler fans haven’t been too negatively impacted as their duo has held together so far.

The Flames however are so happy with their investment despite an up and down first year. He had 7 shutouts in 52 games played for the team. This year I was convinced this season would hinge on Markstrom but they are scoring a lot more goals than I expected. This team has elite numbers across the board and the goal differential of an elite team. This Markstrom pickup has been key in the Flames looking like a legit contender right now.

[Erick Estrada]

Eleven games into the season I would advise both sides of this argument to wait until April before the "I told you so quotes". I'm very happy to see Markstrom come out of the gates hot but he did so last season only for his play to fall off. The hallmark if a great goaltender is consistency so lets wait and see how he fares for the rest of the season maybe?

[dino7c]

This thread started as an I told you so after 2 games

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Since 2018, Vasilevskiy has had a QS% of .603

In the playoffs, he has a career QS% of .645

No one - absolutely no one - is taking away from Markstrom's shutouts. Even after a strong team game, teams will have given up an expected GA of around 1.5 or so. So it's on the goalie to make some saves and Markstrom has earned a shutout on some nights.

But when you're allowing 4 goals on 1.83 xGA like Markstrom did against Dallas, or 3 goals on 1.38 xGA like Markstrom did against Nashville, or 3 goals on 1.87 xGA like Markstrom did against Anaheim, or 4 goals on 3.28 xGA like Markstrom did against Edmonton... you haven't been "an absolute steal" considering that's four out of nine games you've played.

Quality of chances matters and that’s why fancy stays for goalies over a short term are not as useful. Markstrom played well in those losses and made some darn tough saves. And as with any top goalie there is a goal or two that they should have stopped. But IMO there’s a whole lot more saves that he just made look easy when they weren’t.

[dino7c]

Just a reminder if not for the Flames Markstrom would be in Edmonton right now