[Trade] Yakupov to St. Louis for conditional 3rd + Zach Pochiro

[Weitz]

Don't people think Stefan and Daigle are bigger busts because everyone thought they were the consensus #1? Yakupov shouldn't have been selected by the Oilers if the scouts had their way.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

well, there's no question now that he's the biggest bust in NHL history

In terms of #1 overall and the modern draft, perhaps. But overall, I'd say a guy like Pavel Brendl was easily a bigger bust.

[calgarygeologist]

I still think Yakupov could be successful somewhere in the NHL. If he was available for cheap I would give him a chance on one of the top two lines with the Flames.

[MarkGio]

I still think Yakupov can still play 500+ games in the league just based on his energy and acumen. There will be a few teams take a flyer on him in the off season right until he quits giving effort.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I still think Yakupov can still play 500+ games in the league just based on his energy and acumen. There will be a few teams take a flyer on him in the off season right until he quits giving effort.

Not sure what acumen you are referring to. I always thought he had a low hockey IQ.

[Ashasx]

I mean, there's a chance Yakupov doesn't play another 40 games in this league.

He was hyped pretty significantly in his draft year. A lot of people calling him a guaranteed 50 goal scorer.

[jemjey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not sure what acumen you are referring to. I always thought he had a low hockey IQ.

He has skill, can skate, and a good shot. Agreed on the low IQ but as others have said i'd take a flyer on him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jemjey

He has skill, can skate, and a good shot. Agreed on the low IQ but as others have said i'd take a flyer on him.

That's not acumen.

ac·u·men (ăk′yə-mən, ə-kyo͞o′-)
n.
Quickness, accuracy, and keenness of judgment or insight:\

acumen (ˈækjʊˌmɛn; əˈkjuːmən)
n
the ability to judge well; keen discernment; insight

[DJones]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's not acumen.

ac·u·men (ăk′yə-mən, ə-kyo͞o′-)
n.
Quickness, accuracy, and keenness of judgment or insight:\

acumen (ˈækjʊˌmɛn; əˈkjuːmən)
n
the ability to judge well; keen discernment; insight

Is that not what Hockey IQ is?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

In terms of #1 overall and the modern draft, perhaps. But overall, I'd say a guy like Pavel Brendl was easily a bigger bust.

Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
1998–99 Calgary Hitmen WHL 68 73 61 134 40 20 21 25 46 18
1999–00 Calgary Hitmen WHL 61 59 51 111 94 10 7 12 19 8
1999–00 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL — — — — — 2 0 0 0 0
2000–01 Calgary Hitmen WHL 49 40 35 75 66 10 6 7 13 6
2001–02 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 8 1 0 1 2 2 0 0 0 0
2001–02 Philadelphia Phantoms AHL 64 15 22 37 22 5 4 1 5 0
2002–03 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 42 5 7 12 4 — — — — —
2002–03 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 8 0 1 1 2 — — — — —
2003–04 Lowell Lock Monsters AHL 33 17 16 33 34 — — — — —
2003–04 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 18 5 3 8 8 — — — — —
2004–05 HC Thurgau NLB 4 3 0 3 4 — — — — —
2004–05 Oceláři Třinec Czech 2 0 0 0 0 — — — — —
2005–06 Lowell Lock Monsters AHL 25 6 7 13 10 — — — — —
2005–06 San Antonio Rampage AHL 38 13 11 24 8 — — — — —
2005–06 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 2 0 0 0 0 — — — — —
2006–07 Mora IK SEL 54 34 23 57 34 — — — — —
2007–08 Brynäs IF SEL 54 31 24 55 48 3 0 0 0 14
2008–09 Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod KHL 56 35 15 50 48 3 0 0 0 14
2009–10 Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod KHL 51 27 10 37 67 — — — — —
2010–11 KalPa SM-l 16 7 8 15 8 — — — — —
2010–11 HC Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk KHL 24 9 1 10 0 3 0 2 2 2
2011–12 HC Pardubice Czech 6 5 3 8 4 — — — — —
2011–12 Rapperswil-Jona Lakers NLA 17 2 3 5 8 — — — — —
2012–13 HC Pardubice Czech 20 5 3 8 4 4 1 0 1 12
2013–14 HC Kometa Brno Czech 6 0 4 4 0 — — — — —
2013–14 Lausitzer Füchse DEL2 14 3 12 15 6 5 0 1 1 2
2014–15 HK 36 Skalica Slovak 19 13 7 20 8 — — — — —
2015–16 HK 36 Skalica Slovak 46 19 10 29 68 — — — — —
2015–16 HKM Zvolen Slovak 6 3 3 6 4 12 5 2 7 14
NHL totals 78 11 11 22 16 2 0 0 0 0

he is like a gypsy

[Tron_fdc]

At first I was disappointed because I wanted to make fun of the oil for totally mishandling him after he went elsewhere and lit it up. That fantasy seems to be coming to a close.

But now that we all know he's a bust, we can still make fun of them for drafting him #1 in the first place.

It's a win-win I guess.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DJones

Is that not what Hockey IQ is?

Yes, and I say he doesn't have it. So did jemjay for that matter. He said acumen was skill, like skating etc. It's not but no biggie.

[jemjey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's not acumen.

ac·u·men (ăk′yə-mən, ə-kyo͞o′-)
n.
Quickness, accuracy, and keenness of judgment or insight:\

acumen (ˈækjʊˌmɛn; əˈkjuːmən)
n
the ability to judge well; keen discernment; insight

My mistake. Was interpreting it based upon the context and what I'm guessing MarkGio thought it meant.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The only reason Daigle was considered a bust was because of how highly anticipated he was. He wasn't just a #1 overall quality pick - he was 'generational'. He was supposed to be the next Lemieux. However, he is far from the worst #1 overall pick selected as compared to the peers. Just probably the most 'disappointing'. Unfortunately, he developed the serious complex known as HNHAMFLTGFHSIWBAA. For those unfamiliar with it, it is a terrible degenerative disease, with the acronym standing for Have No Heart and My Face Looks Too Good For Hockey So I Will Become An Actor. When he finally overcame this condition, he simply lost too much of his former self, though thankfully he was still a somewhat decent player for the rest of his career.

Stefan could have been great, but the knock on him was his concussion issues. That hampered him big time. I won't even think about making a joke about concussions. Stefan I think could have been a very good player if not for those concerns.

Yakupov was looked upon as a very good scoring threat. A Bure/Ovie hybrid of sorts. Kid was going to have an impact in the NHL as a prolific goal scorer. Not generational, but just a player that could make any team suddenly potent offensively. Unfortunately, Oileritis struck at the age of 18 and lasted for 4 years. He finally has overcome that terrible disease, but it may be too little too late for him as well, unfortunately. NHL fans league-wide were robbed of a top-talent to dazzle us due to this horrific condition.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Locke

I would not be one bit surprised that if he doesnt pan out in St. Louis he'd be snapped up by Washington. That team is like the NHL's pseudo-official Russian Embassy.

And it would probably work out well. Ovechkin went through the process of having to work and change his game and he came out the other side even better, thats what Yakupov needs.

You can't compare Yakupov to Ovechkin. Before Ovechkin worked on his game he had already won multiple Hart and Richard trophies. Yak can't even make the lineup.

[Erick Estrada]

I've been pretty steadfast for years now in that I believe Yakupov is not a very good NHL player so this doesn't surprise me in the least. All he has is the ability to skate well and shoot hard. Unfortunately while that may get you by in junior it's not going to fly in the NHL or even on the world stage as Team Russia has wanted nothing to do with him.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

The only reason Daigle was considered a bust was because of how highly anticipated he was. He wasn't just a #1 overall quality pick - he was 'generational'.

This is not entirely accurate. No one that he was the next Mario.
He had a lot of hype, in part because of his big personality, but there were questions early on about his hockey IQ and sense.
His best attribute was his skating - which was all world - but there were questions about how great he would be at the NHL level.
Turned out not great at all.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

This is not entirely accurate. No one that he was the next Mario.
He had a lot of hype, in part because of his big personality, but there were questions early on about his hockey IQ and sense.
His best attribute was his skating - which was all world - but there were questions about how great he would be at the NHL level.
Turned out not great at all.

Actually, he was very much hyped as the "Next Mario". Lemieux was my favorite player then, and I had both a high degree of skepticism with that, but was also kind of excited to see if he indeed would be the next one. I didn't catch a moment of him playing in Juniors back then, but at 6'0", I couldn't fathom how people made that comparison.

Ottawa Senators select Alexandre Daigle first in 1993. Billed as the next Mario Lemieux.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=701...0mario&f=false

https://thegatewayonline.ca/2015/10/...overall-picks/

Cited as being the next Mario Lemieux after an impressive junior career that saw him average more than two points per game.

I don't remember anything negative being said about his hockey sense actually, but I will take your word for it. I think his character was what got in the way of his success.

Bobby Mac stated when he got selected that "He isn't the next Wayne Gretzky and he isn't the next Mario Lemieux", but then stated: "He could be the next Roenick or the next Yzerman, or Joe Sakic or Pat Lafontaine, with potential to take it up another notch." (31:10 of this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doPXTVjmOOA)

He still had a decent career all things considered, but was extremely disappointing given the expectations.

[Flash Walken]

My recollection matches Calgary4lyf

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Actually, he was very much hyped as the "Next Mario". Lemieux was my favorite player then, and I had both a high degree of skepticism with that, but was also kind of excited to see if he indeed would be the next one. I didn't catch a moment of him playing in Juniors back then, but at 6'0", I couldn't fathom how people made that comparison.



https://books.google.ca/books?id=701...0mario&f=false

https://thegatewayonline.ca/2015/10/...overall-picks/


I don't remember anything negative being said about his hockey sense actually, but I will take your word for it. I think his character was what got in the way of his success.

Bobby Mac stated when he got selected that "He isn't the next Wayne Gretzky and he isn't the next Mario Lemieux", but then stated: "He could be the next Roenick or the next Yzerman, or Joe Sakic or Pat Lafontaine, with potential to take it up another notch." (31:10 of this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doPXTVjmOOA)

He still had a decent career all things considered, but was extremely disappointing given the expectations.

To be fair, that's on the fans/media/scouts that hyped him and such and not the player. Not directed at you, but it always GMG how people easily throw out terms like ''overrated'' or ''disappointment'' because a player didn't live up to THEIR expectations.

The player is what the player is. Once you start putting athletes, celebrities and politicians up on these pedestals and expect certain things from them because someone told you to expect it, you will almost always be set up for disappointment.

I don't view Daigle as a bust. Never have, never will. Anyone who plays 600+ games in the best hockey league in the world is a pretty damned good athlete and should never be called out for not meeting ridiculous exceptions like '' the next Mario Lemieux''.

That's a silly thing to label a junior player and only leads to mislead people who now suddenly expect them to be a franchise saviour the moment they step foot on the ice. I like and respect Mackenzie. But he is at the forefront for putting these high sky expectations on Daigle and it's him and the other media types who kept repeating it that should be called out.