2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And Zadorov and Toffoli demanded trades.

Sure after they were told they wouldn't be signed or if they were it was to short terms.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah this teams not rebuilding.

They sold the UFAs because they had to. They'd rather of re-signed them.

It's a new GM and a new roadmap to the goal but the goal is still the same, "remain competitive".

They're going to be going for playoffs next year too.
Don't be supprised when the offseason moves reflect this.

Not what I would do.

They did not have to sell the UFA’s

This team very recently numerous times has kept UFA’s and then lost them for nothing

People have really short memories around here and need constant reassurance

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

What they do with the vacant roster spots and newly acquired picks will put some definition to ‘build’ or ‘tool’.

Surely, the need to finish bottom 10 next year to not lose that first round pick must be driving the bus to an extent.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

They did not have to sell the UFA’s

This team very recently numerous times has kept UFA’s and then lost them for nothing

People have really short memories around here and need constant reassurance

When conroy took over one of the first things he said that top ufas if not re-signed would be traded. He hates that Johnny left for nothing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

So far Conroy has done what he said he would. So as a result, the team will be entering some sort of re-something.
What is an unknown is what the organization's expectations are for the length of that, and if they will have the discipline to see it through.
We've heard speculation that they want to be good by the time the new arena opens up - which would mean a pretty short rebuild relative to what they normally take.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, you definitely may be right on this front.

...jeepers I hope not though.

The Flames cannot escape the lack of a top-end to this roster. They don't have the horses.

This entire season's futility was the easiest thing in the world to see coming as well. I'm thankful that Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, and Tanev all effectively forced Conroy's hand and that Hanifin is doing the same - and I'm hopeful Markstrom does it too.

This team needs to be saved from itself.

Haha. I 100% agree with the bolder part

[Major Major]

Didn't the markstrom comments coincide with the Pagnotta tweet that we are keeping him? The tweet that was later contradicted by Lebrun?

I think all this is is Jacob reads and puts too much stock into rumors and he's reacting to Twitter rather than him actually having much insight on the deal.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So far Conroy has done what he said he would. So as a result, the team will be entering some sort of re-something.
What is an unknown is what the organization's expectations are for the length of that, and if they will have the discipline to see it through.
We've heard speculation that they want to be good by the time the new arena opens up - which would mean a pretty short rebuild relative to what they normally take.

The team is also uniquely positioned to hit this target in my eyes too. They have the opportunity to do things proactively in preparation for that 2027 date.

Trading Markstrom would be just that. Markstrom is effectively 2011 Jarome Iginla right now (in terms of contract status, most certainly not Flame status). If the Flames are serious about hitting that 2027 target, trading Markstrom in the next 5 months is one of the most important things they could do in my eyes.

If, over the span of two seasons, the Flames manage to sell off all of Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, Markstrom, and Mangiapane in deals that are generally future-oriented? That'd be a nice bit of work, and one of the most aggressive re-words we've seen in the NHL.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I suspect Markstrom goes in the summer right now, perhaps at his request. And not because he's unhappy with how this played out, but more because he signed on to be part of a contending team, and he's getting up there in years.

And at some point they had to talk to him. NJ wasn't going to finalize the deal without knowing he would agree. At some point, when you think it's close enough, you have to talk to him.

[Strange Brew]

Will be interesting to see what the club does in the off season to replace the drafted players. That will be a good indicator of what kind of “re-something” the club wants to pursue.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Didn't the markstrom comments coincide with the Pagnotta tweet that we are keeping him? The tweet that was later contradicted by Lebrun?

I think all this is is Jacob reads and puts too much stock into rumors and he's reacting to Twitter rather than him actually having much insight on the deal.

Part of the problem is that the media are coming to him commenting on those rumours or speculation. That is why I rolled my eyes the the Weekes was wagging the finger at the Flames on the handling of this. Part of the reason the Flames were in that position because of people like Weekes.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Personally I feel like a rebuild is rostering a team with a whole lot of meh in front. Like current San Jose or Chicago, or the Flames in 2013-2015. We’re still icing a competitive roster, while also trading pending UFAs who either don’t want to be here or their value is relatively high.

Just because we’ve gained a lot of assets this season doesn’t mean we’re in a full tear down rebuild.

What you are describing is ####ty management, you can throw Anaheim into that mix of teams as well. A rebuild is what the Rangers did between 18-20

Trade JT Miller and McDonough for 2 former first round picks, a first round pick, a conditional 2nd round pick and a former 2nd round pick

Trade Grabner for a 2nd round pick and a prospect

Trade Nash for a 1st round pick, a young player and a veteran roster player

Trade Holden for a 3rd round pick

Trade Hayes for a 1st round pick, a 4th round pick and a former 2nd round pick

Trade Zucarello for a 2nd and a 3rd

Trade Skjei for a 1st round pick

Load up on picks, drop yourself so you can get picks and hope to come out the other side looking better. Flames are not going to have UFA's likely coming to the team but they are basically following the Rangers model. Those other teams just slowly bled away their good players and got little in return for them.

Players on that 2017/2018 roster who were there at the start of the year and were still there in 2021 when they were finally good again were

Zibanajed
Kreider
Chytil
Georgiev

May not be as extreme for the Flames because they have some longterm contracts but I suspect in 4 years there will be maybe 4 or 5 guys still on the roster that were here at the start of the year. To my eye Conroy is trying to follow the Rangers model, I suspect most UFA's get gassed next year too.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

They did not have to sell the UFA’s

This team very recently numerous times has kept UFA’s and then lost them for nothing

People have really short memories around here and need constant reassurance

That's part of the new roadmap conroy has.

He's stated and shown two pillars in his plan to support staying competitive.

-asset management (sogn or trade, don't lose assets for nothing) *why he sold the UFAs
-get younger

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So far Conroy has done what he said he would. So as a result, the team will be entering some sort of re-something.
What is an unknown is what the organization's expectations are for the length of that, and if they will have the discipline to see it through.
We've heard speculation that they want to be good by the time the new arena opens up - which would mean a pretty short rebuild relative to what they normally take.

Yeah he never said they wouldn't try to re-sign some of their UFAs, but that he wouldn't walk them to free agency.

He hasn't.

100% true to his word.

There's a concern that they tried to sign all of Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev to some degree as that could have been the path ... but even at that I liked the notion of signing Hanifin and wouldn't have minded Tanev on a shorter term contract.

[Phil Russell]

Pages and pages of "I think what happened was . . ." speculation serving to support whatever perspective you prefer, but mostly to support the view that this team will never rebuild and mostly F's everything up. I prefer to stay focused on the actions because those are things we know happened. The team is selling off its UFA's for futures. They are rebuilding or retooling or whatever term you prefer, and as a HUGE bonus the team on the ice is fun to watch. I am happy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect Markstrom goes in the summer right now, perhaps at his request. And not because he's unhappy with how this played out, but more because he signed on to be part of a contending team, and he's getting up there in years.

And at some point they had to talk to him. NJ wasn't going to finalize the deal without knowing he would agree. At some point, when you think it's close enough, you have to talk to him.

Exactly.

If you go 90% of the way with the Devils and never check with Markstrom you've pissed off a GM and maybe the GM fraternity.

They had to go to Markstrom if they thought it was 50/50 or better that they could come to terms with the Devils.

[daveinspruce]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah this teams not rebuilding.

They sold the UFAs because they had to. They'd rather of re-signed them.

It's a new GM and a new roadmap to the goal but the goal is still the same, "remain competitive".

They're going to be going for playoffs next year too.
Don't be supprised when the offseason moves reflect this.

Not what I would do.

We need to suck next year or we don’t have a first round pick next year.
If this team doesn’t tank for Bedard cousin Mckenna I’m going to be sooo pissed..lol

[PepsiFree]

Because it has been brought up a couple times, I’m actually coming around to the idea of keeping Markstrom and packaging Wolf to move up in the 1st round (or trading Markstrom as well and running with Vladar+ a free agent). Of course it depends on where the Flames are slotted to draft and who would be available with the pick they’re after, but I dunno… I feel like it’s easier to find a #1 goaltender somewhere after the 1st round than a #1 center.

I don’t think they would even consider it. But I would.

[Calgary4LIfe]

By Friday, this team will have sold way more assets and acquired much more in the way of assets than they did in the 2013 rebuild kick-off trade deadline.



If what Friedman says is true, there is a whole lot of contradiction from what the Flames are SEEMINGLY doing, and they were rumoured to be trying to do. I am not sure I am really buying it. Some of it certainly does add up, however.



I guess this is very much a work in progress, and when the trade deadline is past this Firday, we can all take a step back and see what Conroy is painting for us. I have certainly liked it so far.


If I were to guess - Markstrom gets traded.in the next couple of days. Even if NJ doesn't make the playoffs, they need to figure out their goaltending situation for the next few seasons, and they need to figure out what else they need to do. Markstrom may be the only legitimately big hole that needs to be filled. Maybe they need a new coach too. Maybe they need better defence too. What we know for sure is that a lot of bad goals are being allowed in by all the goalies in NJ, and sometimes this is a sign that the goalies either suck, or that they are constantly trying to cheat because the team is allowing too many 2nd and 3rd chances so the goalies don't trust who is playing in front of them. Markstrom is a clear upgrade on anyone they have anyway, plus he can be a solid mentor for whichever young goalie they feel deserves a long runway.


However, maybe this is wishful thinking, and the Flames will turn around and be buyers at the deadline! (No, I don't believe this at all - I still believe that this is a rebuild).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by daveinspruce

We need to suck next year or we don’t have a first round pick next year.
If this team doesn’t tank for Bedard cousin Mckenna I’m going to be sooo pissed..lol

To be clear, we would still have a first - just the later of the two between Calgary and Florida.
But yes they should be highly motivated to have a top 10 pick, in which case that's the one they get.