11-18-2019, 09:31 AM
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#2621
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
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Agreed.
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11-18-2019, 09:32 AM
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#2622
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Jankowski for Virtanen (I think) is a terrific deal.
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11-18-2019, 09:33 AM
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#2623
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Jankowski for Virtanen (I think) is a terrific deal.
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No thanks!
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11-18-2019, 11:35 AM
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#2624
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Jankowski for Virtanen (I think) is a terrific deal.
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At this point Jankowski for cap space is looking like a good deal. He has been a total dud this season.
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11-18-2019, 12:30 PM
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#2625
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Bingo
But Sam Bennett produces at an average 3rd liner rate, those are facts, not spin. He generates more scoring chances than third line players as well, but can't finish them. Also a fact.
You can want him to be worse, but he just isn't.
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I would argue that it goes back to the high danger scoring chance argument from last year. Not trying to be combative so hopefully you don't see it that way, but I feel the eye test just shows certain players can poke around the high danger area and simply don't have an eye for finishing chances or getting off quality shots, where the high danger scoring chance stat would claim that it must be bad luck and the pucks will start going in. Some players just aren't good at scoring or finishing plays due to low hockey IQ.
Bennett seems like this kind of player at the NHL level. He's a buzz saw so he certainly gets around and open and sometimes the puck is there but ultimately he just isn't that great at finishing.
Wish means his production likely is what it is regardless of what the stats say he's generating or should be scoring in the future.
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11-18-2019, 12:32 PM
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#2626
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
At this point Jankowski for cap space is looking like a good deal. He has been a total dud this season.
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You wouldn't even get that right now. Cap space has become gold in NHL deals, you need to pay to get rid of contracts where a player isn't producing, whether you pay with a pick or another sub-optimal contract coming back.
With Jankowski you wouldn't have to pay a pick but you'd likely have to bring back another struggling $1-$2mil contract.
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11-18-2019, 12:33 PM
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#2627
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
I would argue that it goes back to the high danger scoring chance argument from last year. Not trying to be combative so hopefully you don't see it that way, but I feel the eye test just shows certain players can poke around the high danger area and simply don't have an eye for finishing chances or getting off quality shots, where the high danger scoring chance stat would claim that it must be bad luck and the pucks will start going in. Some players just aren't good at scoring or finishing plays due to low hockey IQ.
Bennett seems like this kind of player at the NHL level. He's a buzz saw so he certainly gets around and open and sometimes the puck is there but ultimately he just isn't that great at finishing.
Wish means his production likely is what it is regardless of what the stats say he's generating.
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Or critically, the hands.
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11-18-2019, 12:57 PM
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#2628
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
I would argue that it goes back to the high danger scoring chance argument from last year. Not trying to be combative so hopefully you don't see it that way, but I feel the eye test just shows certain players can poke around the high danger area and simply don't have an eye for finishing chances or getting off quality shots, where the high danger scoring chance stat would claim that it must be bad luck and the pucks will start going in. Some players just aren't good at scoring or finishing plays due to low hockey IQ.
Bennett seems like this kind of player at the NHL level. He's a buzz saw so he certainly gets around and open and sometimes the puck is there but ultimately he just isn't that great at finishing.
Wish means his production likely is what it is regardless of what the stats say he's generating or should be scoring in the future.
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Nope all good. I agree.
Getting chances is great, and if he doesn't have the hands you hope that these chances land at the foot of linemates so the trio becomes more productive ... but that hasn't happened either.
He is what he is ... which statistically is a third line player.
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11-18-2019, 01:19 PM
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#2629
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
You wouldn't even get that right now. Cap space has become gold in NHL deals, you need to pay to get rid of contracts where a player isn't producing, whether you pay with a pick or another sub-optimal contract coming back.
With Jankowski you wouldn't have to pay a pick but you'd likely have to bring back another struggling $1-$2mil contract.
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Hence Virtanen, another struggling 1st rounder making $in that range and who is a pending RFA (but who checks some boxes as a decent sized, speedy, RHS RW). I think he fits pretty well on the right side of Ryan.
Treliving has traded with Vancouver before, so it's not impossible.
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11-18-2019, 02:24 PM
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#2630
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Hence Virtanen, another struggling 1st rounder making $in that range and who is a pending RFA (but who checks some boxes as a decent sized, speedy, RHS RW). I think he fits pretty well on the right side of Ryan.
Treliving has traded with Vancouver before, so it's not impossible.
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Nope.
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11-18-2019, 02:50 PM
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#2631
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
Nope.
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Jim, is that you? Maybe there's two Jankowskis.
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11-18-2019, 02:59 PM
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#2632
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Jim, is that you? Maybe there's two Jankowskis.
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And they'd both be bad.
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11-18-2019, 03:39 PM
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#2633
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster86
And they'd both be bad.
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And Virtanen isn't? Jankowski has outscored Virtanen.
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11-18-2019, 03:55 PM
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#2634
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster86
Nope.
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Why? Bennett, jankowski and virtanen are all on the same tier. Replaceable players that might benefit from a change of scenery. It's not like virtanen is any good. Pretty much a RH RW version of bennett
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11-18-2019, 04:13 PM
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#2635
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Why? Bennett, jankowski and virtanen are all on the same tier. Replaceable players that might benefit from a change of scenery. It's not like virtanen is any good. Pretty much a RH RW version of bennett
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The question for me is how bad Vancouver needs a C, which is partly dependent on Sutter's injury status. Also Beagle's.
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11-18-2019, 04:30 PM
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#2636
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
And Virtanen isn't? Jankowski has outscored Virtanen.
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And? Virtanen probably gets to 20 last season if not for a long injury and has a better gpg than Jankowski over the past 3 seasons (including this one)
Virtanen is finally starting to figure out who he is and how he can contribute at the NHL level on a consistent basis. The last thing I would want to do is send him to a divisional rival as he is figuring this out, for a player I don't see helping us in anyway.
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Why? Bennett, jankowski and virtanen are all on the same tier. Replaceable players that might benefit from a change of scenery. It's not like virtanen is any good. Pretty much a RH RW version of bennett
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Virtanen is much faster than Bennett which is the difference over who I'd want.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
The question for me is how bad Vancouver needs a C, which is partly dependent on Sutter's injury status. Also Beagle's.
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Beagle is expected to play tomorrow and Sutter is expected back on this road trip or just after. Nevermind the fact that Gaudette's play is going to make the Canucks life difficult since it's going to be hard to send the kid down and he is also a center.
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12-10-2019, 12:59 PM
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#2637
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Calgary, AB
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We're seeing Mangiapane and Dube now surpassing Bennett on depth charts. Good problem to have. Be interesting to see where Bennett slots in after he returns from injury.
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12-10-2019, 01:01 PM
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#2638
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pepper24
We're seeing Mangiapane and Dube now surpassing Bennett on depth charts. Good problem to have. Be interesting to see where Bennett slots in after he returns from injury.
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Popcorn row? I don't sit either of Dube or Mangiapane for him at this point. Hell, I'm not sure I'd sit Reider over Bennett right now. Showing good wheels and some nice plays recently.
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12-10-2019, 01:04 PM
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#2639
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
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Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangi
Dube-Monahan-Backlund
Bennett-Ryan-Gaudreau
Lucic-Janko-Frolik
I think this gives us some really balanced lines.
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12-10-2019, 01:08 PM
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#2640
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by indes
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangi
Dube-Monahan-Backlund
Bennett-Ryan-Gaudreau
Lucic-Janko-Frolik
I think this gives us some really balanced lines.
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I'd sit Frolik for Rieder at this point. Heck I'd even sit Janko for Rieder and that's before considering Czarnik's return.
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