Racism at Calgary Bars?

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Or you could respond to the actual content.

Sorry tough guy...

[jolinar of malkshor]

This kind of stuff is going on all over the country. You talk to any bar owner/bouncer that has been around for a while and they will tell you that any altercation 15-20 years ago was a fist to fist fight. Mostly rough neck/biker crowd. Now they tell you these roughnecks wont even come to the bar in some of these places. They sit in their room and drink because they are to afraid that some jackass is going to pull a knife or gun.

The bouncer makes some good points, its to bad he couldn't have done it in a more profesional manner.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

This kind of stuff is going on all over the country. You talk to any bar owner/bouncer that has been around for a while and they will tell you that any altercation 15-20 years ago was a fist to fist fight. Mostly rough neck/biker crowd. Now they tell you these roughnecks wont even come to the bar in some of these places. They sit in their room and drink because they are to afraid that some jackass is going to pull a knife or gun.

The bouncer makes some good points, its to bad he couldn't have done it in a more profesional manner.

Yes this kind of stuff happens in every city, I agree. Its an ongoing problem that all clubs have. Violence and people doing things they should not be doing. However it is not just the minorities, we all play a part in it, all races.

The thing is this, there is a point to the global story in that racism happens at the door here in Calgary far more than any other city. That cannot be disputed. Racism does play a role in this city far more than anywhere else.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Yes this kind of stuff happens in every city, I agree. Its an ongoing problem that all clubs have. Violence and people doing things they should not be doing. However it is not just the minorities, we all play a part in it, all races.

The thing is this, there is a point to the global story in that racism happens at the door here in Calgary far more than any other city. That cannot be disputed. Racism does play a role in this city far more than anywhere else.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, however, you cannot make that determination from Global's story. They did not provide an acurate sample of who was and wasn't refused at any of the bars they went to. Any person who does research will agree that a larger sample needs to be taken inorder for you to make this assumption.

Nor did they provide any stats on other Major cities across Canada.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Wookie

Your story was bull****, and I'm sick of hearing people crying racism, walk a mile in our shoes, and if you dont get stabbed or shot it was a good night.

It was an entertaining rant all around, but I had to laugh at that last line. Maybe if the job is so dangerous he should think about getting into another line of work. Plenty of work out there for a guy who is able-bodied enough to handle 200 "altercations". Not many of them will have a lot of opportunity for ego-stroking, power-tripping, face-punching and pipe-showing-offing, but the pay is probably better.

[Winsor_Pilates]

This bouncer is an idiot.
He starts off by saying that they do the same thing to white people and if global taped longer they would see there's no racial profiling. Then he goes on to explain why they do the very thing he just denied them doing; racial profiling.

He clearly states how they stereotype based on the bad few and then justifies it. If anything this rant is complete evidence to the Global story. He has admitted to everything they said bouncers do.

If this guy doesn't feel safe, why doesn't he hastle his boss to install metal detectors, or pat down people as they enter the club. Someone should tell this meathead the 9 MMs and knives are made of metal that they would find with the simple use of technology.

Someone should also tell him that the guys who he sees wearing Turbans aren't even Muslims. (Not that he should profile them either)

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by fotze

Well googling the guy reveals that "Fightin'" is a career aspiration as he is trying to become a mixed martial arts fighter (whatever that is). Call me a crazy, but a guy who likes to fight should not be a bouncer.

How's someone who enjoys fight a bad qualification for a bouncer?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

He clearly states how they stereotype based on the bad few and then justifies it. If anything this rant is complete evidence to the Global story. He has admitted to everything they said bouncers do.

It would be funny to see one of the media outlets he sent this letter to actually discuss it on the air.

"Station X has received a profanity-laced and hate-filled confession from a doorman employed by the Lamebar Group".

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Looks like the bouncer didn't graduate grade 9. I especially enjoy his "hahahaha."

Yes, we should all "hahahaha"

Btw, He did make some valid points, though he should work on bringing his point across a bit better.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, however, you cannot make that determination from Global's story. They did not provide an acurate sample of who was and wasn't refused at any of the bars they went to. Any person who does research will agree that a larger sample needs to be taken inorder for you to make this assumption.

Nor did they provide any stats on other Major cities across Canada.

I dont need them to provide me with stats from other cities in Canada. I am a minority myself, a mixed one at that and travel extensively to other cities and see it first hand. I have my share of times where it has been that case in Calgary.

Not only my examples, but friends of mine as well have encountered it far more here than in other centres. I am not one that watched the Global story and assumed it to be my only resource for my opinion. I have lived a life of it here to see it all.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I dont need them to provide me with stats from other cities in Canada. I am a minority myself, a mixed one at that and travel extensively to other cities and see it first hand. I have my share of times where it has been that case in Calgary.

Not only my examples, but friends of mine as well have encountered it far more here than in other centres. I am not one that watched the Global story and assumed it to be my only resource for my opinion. I have lived a life of it here to see it all.

IC, the few samples that you have aquired allows you to make a formal judgment that the conclusion global made is accurate. The problem is, inorder to make the kind of statement you make, you would require a sample of about 1000. I dont think that you have that kind of impartial sample.

You might want to take a beginners class in research methodology.

I can probaly give you just as many examples from my experiences and my friends experiences to prove the same point your trying to make but instead of discrimination against minorities but against white males. Doesnt mean my statement is methodolgically sound or acurate.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

IC, the few samples that you have aquired allows you to make a formal judgment that the conclusion global made is accurate. The problem is, inorder to make the kind of statement you make, you would require a sample of about 1000. I dont think that you have that kind of impartial sample.

You might want to take a beginners class in research methodology.

I can probaly give you just as many examples from my experiences and my friends experiences to prove the same point your trying to make but instead of discrimination against minorities but against white males. Doesnt mean my statement is methodolgically sound or acurate.

Yes I am sure that there is some discrimination against white males in certain aspects. There is probably no denying that. But, when it comes to the issue of racism at the door in Calgary, the minorities are the ones being targeted.

Now I am not sure as to what your point is with respect to the discrimation against white people, but if you are trying to say it happens on the same level and frequency as against minorities, then that is absurd. Keep in mind I am suggesting this on the pretense that both parties, minority or white are in compliance with the clubs age and dress code supposed requirements.

I can almost guarantee that if a group of say 5 asians or blacks, etc was to go and try to get entry into a club, there is always a high chance they may not get in. However if it was a group of white males attempting to enter an establishment, the chances are still very good that they would gain entry without problems for the most part.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Yes this kind of stuff happens in every city, I agree. Its an ongoing problem that all clubs have. Violence and people doing things they should not be doing. However it is not just the minorities, we all play a part in it, all races.

The thing is this, there is a point to the global story in that racism happens at the door here in Calgary far more than any other city. That cannot be disputed. Racism does play a role in this city far more than anywhere else.

Show me the facts that this doesnt happen as much in other cities. You say it cannot be disputed. If you provide me with the facts I will believe you.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Show me the facts that this doesnt happen as much in other cities. You say it cannot be disputed. If you provide me with the facts I will believe you.

You win because he/she doesn't have the facts.

I agree with you that Soulchoice is making a baseless case about Calgary being more racist than other Canadian cities. Yes, racism is an issue in Calgary but I don't see any proof that it's more of an issue than any other Canadian city especially when the Global reports did an awful job of showing both sides of the story.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Show me the facts that this doesnt happen as much in other cities. You say it cannot be disputed. If you provide me with the facts I will believe you.

It'll be pretty tough to come up with facts that Calgary bars discriminate more than they do in other cities. People study some crazy things, but I doubt there has ever been a scientific study of this issue.

The guy has said repeatedly that it happens to him more in Calgary than anywhere else. That's his "fact". You don't believe him?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It'll be pretty tough to come up with facts that Calgary bars discriminate more than they do in other cities. People study some crazy things, but I doubt there has ever been a scientific study of this issue.

The guy has said repeatedly that it happens to him more in Calgary than anywhere else. That's his "fact". You don't believe him?

Just because he may experience an abnormal amount of refusals from the bar doesn't make it evidence that it happens more in Calgary then any other place. The fact that he lives in Calgary indicates that he attends the bar here more often then other cities. This would give him the impression that it is more prevailent in Calgary than other cities.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Just because he may experience an abnormal amount of refusals from the bar doesn't make it evidence that it happens more in Calgary then any other place. The fact that he lives in Calgary indicates that he attends the bar here more often then other cities. This would give him the impression that it is more prevailent in Calgary than other cities.

Actually I am not in Calgary more during the course of weekends in a month. Usually I am here in Calgary for one out of four weekends. The other times I am usually in Edmonton, Toronto or Montreal for work. So its not just establishments here that I frequent.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I agree with you that Soulchoice is making a baseless case about Calgary being more racist than other Canadian cities.

I don't think that the issue is Calgary being racist. The issue is are the actions of the clubs, which appear to be owned by a select few, are racist. The clubs might be racist but since they're being directed by only a few people, it doesn't make the city racist.

Yes, racism is an issue in Calgary but I don't see any proof that it's more of an issue than any other Canadian city especially when the Global reports did an awful job of showing both sides of the story.

Growing up in a similiar sized city in Ottawa, I've never heard of racist door policies at nightclubs here. Mind you, on the other side of the river when the Hull strip was strong (almost 15 years ago ) I've seen and heard about things that were either racist (bouncers getting into fights with a minority) or bigoted (police dealing with Anglophones).