[Rumour] UPD: Canes will try to trade Adam Fox after he indicates he will not sign with them

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

I know it's been discussed, but this NCAA college free agent loophole is crap. I'm not sure why it hasn't been closed by the league (I know it needs to be collectively bargained) but the NHL has basically had their way with the NHLPA in negotiations so it should have been done. It would seem every team but the Rangers would be in favour of changing it. If you're drafted, your team property until they release you.

i don't know if you can call it a loophole though. Everyone knows about it and all drafted players have a stale date for rights...As i understand it:

NCAA, 4 years unsigned they go UFA
Euros, 4 years unsigned they go UFA
CHL, 2 years they go back into the draft, 2 more years and they become UFA

maybe someone could correct me if i am incorrect, but from what i recall that is how the current system works.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by AC

Problem is:

A) why would the Rangers trade any assets for his negotiating rights when they seem like the team Fox is interested in signing with already?
B) why would any other team part with assets when it seems like a forgone conclusion he'll go to free agency, and ultimately the Rangers?

Carolina might just be left holding the bag.

If a goof chunk of our fanbase had their way, we'd be left holding the bag right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

If a goof chunk of our fanbase had their way, we'd be left holding the bag right now.

Ha ha. "Goof" chunk. It might just be true.

[sureLoss]

Canes owner says they will trade Fox

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/...228708234.html

With Harvard defenseman Adam Fox balking at signing an entry-level contract with the Carolina Hurricanes, team owner Tom Dundon said Monday the Canes are looking at another option.

“We’ll try to trade him,” Dundon said. “I think we’ll do OK. We’ll see.”

Friedman on 960 says he is hearing Carolina is asking for a lot. He isn't sure if they are doing it out of spite to force him to go back to school or if they think he is a very good player and just want a good return.

Also said that the Rangers are near the top if not at the top of Fox's list and that some teams believe that the Rangers will wait for UFA rather than pay the price now

He is also getting mixed reviews on Fox with some thinking he is elite with others not convinced.

[burn_this_city]

Sather will probably bury him in the minors, careful what you wish for Alan.

[TheScorpion]

for the record, Slats is no longer the Rangers' GM -- it's Jeff Gorton

[GranteedEV]

I'm confused about Fox being associated with the Rangers. They have an undersized offensive right handed defenseman in Tony DeAngelo, as well as Kevin Shattenkirk. Additionally, I recall reading that Adam Fox grew up an Islanders fan.

[FanIn80]

Rangers = Money.
Harvard Education = Whatever you do, get paid for it.

Ergo.

[Reggie Dunlop]

With Harvard defenseman Adam Fox balking at signing an entry-level contract with the Carolina Hurricanes, team owner Tom Dundon said Monday the Canes are looking at another option.

“We’ll try to trade him,” Dundon said. “I think we’ll do OK. We’ll see.”

Dun-don-dun

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i don't know if you can call it a loophole though. Everyone knows about it and all drafted players have a stale date for rights...As i understand it:

NCAA, 4 years unsigned they go UFA
Euros, 4 years unsigned they go UFA
CHL, 2 years they go back into the draft, 2 more years and they become UFA

maybe someone could correct me if i am incorrect, but from what i recall that is how the current system works.

Exactly correct.
So in every instance the player can become a UFA 4 years after draft. There is no loop hole. And Fox is being completely forthright. This is not an Erixon type situation. In my opinion.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by joejoe3

If McLottery could go back in time, I wonder if he would’ve done the same instead of wasting all these years in the oilers organization

What, go to Harvard?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Exactly correct.
So in every instance the player can become a UFA 4 years after draft. There is no loop hole. And Fox is being completely forthright. This is not an Erixon type situation. In my opinion.

The lengths of time are the same, but the situations are not. It isn't a loophole, but it IS a problem. And there are some potential fixes, such as making it 5 years for everyone instead of 4.

[shermanator]

Am I the only one who did not realize how well the Canes were doing this year? 1 point behind Winnipeg and Nashville and 2 points ahead of Vegas. Think the blockbuster trade was win-win for both teams, even if it gets worse for Carolina in the offseason.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The lengths of time are the same, but the situations are not. It isn't a loophole, but it IS a problem. And there are some potential fixes, such as making it 5 years for everyone instead of 4.

i guess it remains to be seen how the NHL addresses it, or if the NHLPA would agree to it...

whether its a problem depends on whether this is a trend or just a blip...

I looked at the first two rounds of three recent drafts (2010-12) to see how many college-bound players signed with the teams that drafted them. I did not count players who were supposed to go NCAA but switched to junior, but those players (Jack Campbell, Jarred Tinordi, etc.) signed with their draft teams anyway. The result? There were 38 kids that signed with their draft teams and two – Hayes and Samuel Kurker (St. Louis) – that did not.

https://thehockeynews.com/news/artic...iness-as-usual

in the last draft, the NHL drafted a record 67 players that chose the NCAA route, so NHL executives do not appear to be too concerned with the outliers that choose going to college. We'll see if there is more kids that choose the UFA route as opposed to finishing their degrees, as i couldn't find a lot of data outside of this article.

its not true to say that there is no penalty for players not to sign though: they pay a penalty by restricting their active earning years.

Fox, if he finishes his degree will have given up 2 years of earnings to do so, since it seems like Calgary wanted to sign him last year... Brady Tkachuk for example could have gone to college and finished his degree, but would have forfeited 3-4 years of earnings...

its inequity lies in the fact that CHL players go back into the draft after 2 years, but if they wanted to go UFA, they'd have to wait another 2 years (not signing after their second draft)

[Robo]

Damn that sucks for the canes

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Exactly correct.
So in every instance the player can become a UFA 4 years after draft. There is no loop hole. And Fox is being completely forthright. This is not an Erixon type situation. In my opinion.

The difference though is an NCAA player has added incentive to wait, and that's to finish school. CHL and Euro players don't get that bonus.

Finishing school is a great incentive, I just wish it didn't waste a pick for whatever team drafted them.

I'm sure I've said it before but I'd like to see one extra year before a drafted player goes free agent. That way a player can finish school if they want, without the pressure of being a free agent. Then if they really do want to be a free agent they have to go play in europe for a year or something

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Robo

Damn that sucks for the canes

It does. But we’ll see what they can get for him. Even Feaster was able to make chicken salad out of chicken #### with Erixon, with the difference being Erixon wouldn’t have been headed to UFA.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It does. But we’ll see what they can get for him. Even Feaster was able to make chicken salad out of chicken #### with Erixon, with the difference being Erixon wouldn’t have been headed to UFA.

The Flames had the Rags and Erixon’s agent dead to rights on blatant tampering, and the Rags knew it, thus the generous trade to Calgary to avoid the Flames pursuing the tampering with the league.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Sather will probably bury him in the minors, careful what you wish for Alan.

Ooh Alan Fux has a ring to it.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by btimbit

The difference though is an NCAA player has added incentive to wait, and that's to finish school. CHL and Euro players don't get that bonus.

Finishing school is a great incentive, I just wish it didn't waste a pick for whatever team drafted them.

I'm sure I've said it before but I'd like to see one extra year before a drafted player goes free agent. That way a player can finish school if they want, without the pressure of being a free agent. Then if they really do want to be a free agent they have to go play in europe for a year or something

Teams know the rules in advance also, and I expect they draft accordingly.
Nothing preventing CHL or European players from going to school while they wait out 4 years either, other than a CHL player has a lot tougher time keeping up with school, given the hockey schedule. The CHL encourages it though, by paying for education. At least, AFAIK that scholarship fund is also available to players still actively playing in the league.