Iranian woman to be stoned for adultery

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by peter12

I know nothing except the fact of my own ignorance.

Lol. I'm just razzing you.

And FYI, since most CPers are adults (well, of age anyway) the word you might want to use is andragogy when discussing adult teaching. The art and science of teaching adults.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Lol. I'm just razzing you.

And FYI, since most CPers are adults (well, of age anyway) the word you might want to use is andragogy when discussing adult teaching. The art and science of teaching adults.

Wait this one is better.

http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/perm.php?c=48&q=242

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by peter12

Put in place as a scapegoat by an outgoing leader and resoundingly defeated in a following federal election?

Actually, put in place by the party, not the outgoing PM. I could have used Margaret Thatcher if you preferred.

I was more pointing out that the United States has essentially overcome it's legacy of institutionalized racism against black people.

I suspect you'll find that institutionalized racism and bigotry are alive and well. I'm sure you are aware of some of the recent laws passed in New Mexico, for instance.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by peter12

Wait this one is better.

http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/perm.php?c=48&q=242

Touche!!!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Touche!!!

This one could also suit me.

http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/perm.php?c=111&q=213

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Actually, put in place by the party, not the outgoing PM. I could have used Margaret Thatcher if you preferred.



I suspect you'll find that institutionalized racism and bigotry are alive and well. I'm sure you are aware of some of the recent laws passed in New Mexico, for instance.

Well, what I was saying is that there is no such thing as a racial utopia. Name me one country that is as diverse as the United States, with it's history of slavery and institutionalized oppression, and has somehow figured out how to keep all the ethnicities in perfect harmony.

It's impossible. Racism just seems to be. My point is that the character of the American people is liberal enough that there always the hope among the majority of Americans that these problems can be overcome.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yes, why though? The book is a pretty adequate apology for Western difference from Central Canada.

I don't need to read the book to understand differences between Western and Eastern Canada. It is not a question about differences, everyone is different. It is about winning elections. And Stephen Harper did it using good old politics, not by pushing the ideas of the firewall letter.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by peter12

Weird response. First of all, regardless of what Webster's says, liberty is not unconstrained freedom from authoritative institutions or rules. That's actually called nihilism.

We live in democracies where the right to rule is given by majority consent. In cases like gay marriage where the legitimacy of a right granted and protected by the state is not entirely clear-cut, democratic options should be exercised to facilitate a dialogue.

Gay marriage in Canada does not mean that Canadians are more tolerant people than Americans. It was legalized in Canada by the elites, not through democratic or constitutional consensus.

Even if Canada is more free than the United States, which I actually believe it somewhat is, we are a fairly insignificant middle power state which has literally no sway in global politics or the political culture on liberal democracy. Following my above argument, every liberal country holds themselves to an American standard of liberty, whether they agree with it or not.

Bahahahaha... That's damn funny. Following my flawed argument, I'm right. Really? That's awesome.

I didn't say anything about unconstrained, rather the term was arbitrary. Don't you think a government deciding who I can spend my life with is rather arbitrary? Again, what you're saying is that democracy actually TRUMPS liberty. Frankly, that's BS and I don't see why ANY nation would aspire to that. In fact, it's laughable.

Because Canada is a middle power, other nations cannot aspire to have the same liberty as us? Are you serious?

That's like saying because there are only 2 million Jews in a world of 6 billion people, they are insignificant. Give your head a shake.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by peter12

It's impossible. Racism just seems to be. My point is that the character of the American people is liberal enough that there always the hope among the majority of Americans that these problems can be overcome.

I'd say the same hope exists in Canada, England and other nations. So, as with others, I would argue that the US is not "THE bastion of liberty." It is a bastion, though prisoners in Guantanimo Bay might disagree.

Nice job moving the goalposts, btw. I'm impressed at how you went in consecutive replies from congratulating the US on overcoming institutionalized racism to arguing instead that it is impossible to overcome.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

No one has a right to tell people how to run their society. What we view as savage is how they deal with problems. The west needs to wake up and realize we can't play moral authority.

Now this case in question is bogus. As stated previously under terrorism you cant find someone guilty unless you have multiple witnesses.

I don't agree

[DuffMan]

can we make jokes yet?

[Daradon]

[QUOTE=peter12;2586300]

Gay marriage in Canada does not mean that Canadians are more tolerant people than Americans. It was legalized in Canada by the elites, not through democratic or constitutional consensus.

[QUOTE]

Not sure what you mean by ''constitutional consensus'' but I would argue that WAS how it got passed. It was decided that a majority could not decide a civil rights issue, and that gay marriage was a right as defined in the constitution or Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

Now I guess this was ''decided'' by the ruling party at the time, but I don't remember a huge backlash either at the political level or the citizen level. Yes there were pockets of opposition in both levels, but they were small as actual percentages of the populations.

And one only has to look at poll numbers and news articles to see VERY CLEARLY that Canadians are more tolerant in this issue compared to Americans. (even if you which to discount the actual laws, as an indicator, which I wouldn't) Though I think you yielded that anyway later in your post.

[photon]

Thread closed for a few minutes for review.

EDIT: Alright, please continue any bible or religion discussion in this thread:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=93155

Otherwise continue with discussion of this incident. Thanks.

[Slava]

Just thought that I would bring back this thread for the update. She is to be hanged later this week: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/201...n.html?ref=rss

[bluejays]

Crazy that they're hanging her based on the adultery. I could somewhat understand if there was a conspiracy for her husband's murder, but knowing the crazy country, they're out to set an example. I may sound heartless by asking this question, but was there ever a study on what deathrow inmates do on their last day? Do they even bother to sleep?

[VladtheImpaler]

Seeing comments below the CBC story, was she also convicted of murder or not?

[Pinner]

Seems so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakineh_Mohammadi_Ashtiani

[Envitro]

What a f**ed up country.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Envitro

What a f**ed up country.

No kidding.

What's disgusting (other than some of the posts in this thread) is that there is very little outrage among muslim women, especially the ones living in Western world (other than a web petition). I live in Sydney (tons of muslims live here) and they are all quiet, possibly thinking she "deserves it" because thats the way they were brought up. Yet they were all going bananas over a few stupid cartoons.

What a effed up "culture."

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

No kidding.

What's disgusting (other than some of the posts in this thread) is that there is very little outrage among muslim women, especially the ones living in Western world (other than a web petition). I live in Sydney (tons of muslims live here) and they are all quiet, possibly thinking she "deserves it" because thats the way they were brought up. Yet they were all going bananas over a few stupid cartoons.

What a effed up "culture."

Their either too afraid to say a thing or so f'ked up with religious beliefs they think it's all good.