[News] Lucic has agreed to waive his NMC for the expansion draft

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The only timeframe that matters as far as the cap situation is today and forward. I don't know what you mean by fair, that's really not the point.

You can't possibly believe Monahan is playing like a $6.3 million player right now? On pace for 17 goals, and he is not anything close to a shutdown guy. Maybe he can rebound sure. But just because you can find another underperforming player in that salary range in the league, that doesn't mean Monahan is delivering on his contract. You don't have to look too hard to find dozens of forwards outproducing him for far less money either.

You can say with certainty that Rasmus will live up to his contract. Personally I can't. I'm sure we can both agree he hasn't this year. Gio's contract may have value over the life of it, but pretty clear we are at the point where that value is in the past.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. The Flames are a cap team and they are at the bottom of the standings. Is it not a given they don't have enough guys living up to their AAV? Right now, they are likely very close to the bottom of the league for getting value for money. That is not all James Neal. You stated in another thread that Lucic rarely has bad games so do you even think that contract is so bad? I do, but I don't think Falmes are a better $5 million player away from contending either.

Of course you can predict guys will bounce back, or continue to progress. Those are predictions though. And you can defend Treliving's approach to each of his deals all day long. That's not the intent of my post. If the player's performance doesn't change from what we've seen this year, the cap issue remains.

We do have Rittich, Ryan and Bennett coming off the books. Can they be replaced by better players for less money? That would be great if they could.

By your way of thinking GMs should only sign one year contracts. Good luck with that. As for Rasmus, Monahan, etc you can go look at who makes what on Capfriendly. Both of those guys are not making money that’s way out of whack even in their down years. I suppose you could argue all the other players are overpaid too but that’s not how it works.

[TheScorpion]

Officially official now:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...aft-situation/

Milan Lucic has officially done his part to help with the team’s off-season maneuvering.

The veteran Flames winger has waived the no-movement clause in his contract for the Seattle Kraken expansion draft this summer.

“As much as I want to stay in Calgary I didn’t want to handcuff Tree (GM Brad Treliving) in the expansion draft so I agreed that I would waive it for the expansion draft if he didn’t want to protect me,” Lucic told Sportsnet.ca.

“I really enjoy it here in Calgary and I’d love nothing more than to spend the rest of my career here.”

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

By your way of thinking GMs should only sign one year contracts. Good luck with that. As for Rasmus, Monahan, etc you can go look at who makes what on Capfriendly. Both of those guys are not making money that’s way out of whack even in their down years. I suppose you could argue all the other players are overpaid too but that’s not how it works.

Yeah I didn't say that. As an organization you sign long term deals for lots of different reasons, including reducing the AAV (Gio) or betting on future improvement (Rasmus).

If you're spending to the cap and you're at the bottom of the standings, you have too many players not playing to their contracts. We just have a basic difference in player evaluation if you believe Monahan and Andersson are earning their AAV this year and probably no sense debating it further.

[FlamesAreOne]

@EricFrancis

Lucic reveals he’s waived his NMC for the Seattle expansion draft.

@DarrenWHaynes

I’m glad Lucic has confirmed to @EricFrancis he’s waving his NMC and need to be protected in expansion draft. Now if only I could get all the time back that I spent the past couple years imploring fans (mostly in Northern Alberta) that this was always how it was going to go down.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah I didn't say that. As an organization you sign long term deals for lots of different reasons, including reducing the AAV (Gio) or betting on future improvement (Rasmus).

If you're spending to the cap and you're at the bottom of the standings, you have too many players not playing to their contracts. We just have a basic difference in player evaluation if you believe Monahan and Andersson are earning their AAV this year and probably no sense debating it further.

The difference is that most long term contracts are going to have years when the player vastly exceeds the contract and years (usually at the beginning or end) when they don’t. It’s unreasonable to expect otherwise.

Add to that the fact that their comparables in salary mostly produce at the same level. For every bargain like Scheifele I can show you someone who makes more than Monahan and produces less. Same for Andersson (and he’s much more likely to be better value in the next several years - he’s basically only a sophomore).

[bdubbs]

Lucic is a beauty. Ultimate team-first player. I'd be happy if he got his wish, to be honest.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I wish I could go back to all those tweets from Oilers media and fans that laughed at Flames fans for believing Lucic would do exactly what he has done. There’s just too many.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The difference is that most long term contracts are going to have years when the player vastly exceeds the contract and years (usually at the beginning or end) when they don’t. It’s unreasonable to expect otherwise.

Add to that the fact that their comparables in salary mostly produce at the same level. For every bargain like Scheifele I can show you someone who makes more than Monahan and produces less. Same for Andersson (and he’s much more likely to be better value in the next several years - he’s basically only a sophomore).

Monahan underperforming his contract at this stage of his career is a big concern. He's 26 years old.

Rasmus is not a sophomore.

Your over and under performers need to balance out. That's not what's happening now for the organization.

[AC]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I wish I could go back to all those tweets from Oilers media and fans that laughed at Flames fans for believing Lucic would do exactly what he has done. There’s just too many.

I've already seen people comment "Well Seattle still isn't going to take him!"

As if that's the point at all...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Monahan underperforming his contract at this stage of his career is a big concern. He's 26 years old.

Rasmus is not a sophomore.

Your over and under performers need to balance out. That's not what's happening now for the organization.

Monahan is indeed a concern at this stage of the contract, 2/3 done. Even so, he’s not wildly overpaid compared to most other centres at his level of production. Go look. Especially if he starts to improve his 200 foot game, which is a subject of a lot of debate here. And if the cap had gone up as expected it would be even less of an issue.

Rasmus in his 3rd full season but after a shortened second season. I am not counting his 1 game and 10 game seasons. I would add that, production wise, he’s way ahead of any previous pace. He’s equaled his points from his rookie year (which was 79 games) or last year (22 points in 70 games). He’s got 19 in 50. I’m really not concerned about his contract.

[jessnuts]

Now they should just protect Lucic and blow everyone's minds

[FlamesAddiction]

I give Seattle a 30% chance of taking him. Last year, I would have said zero, but I think with only 2 years left after this year, he has some value to a team that doesn't need to worry about the cap ceiling for a couple of years. I'm fine if he stays, but it would really help our cap situation if they did take him.

[FudsMcDuff]

Am I out to lunch in thinking Lucic, if drafted by the Krakken, could be named team captain? Similar to Engelland and Vegas?
We've certainly heard much about his leadership qualities and he knows what it takes to win.

[GioforPM]

Does that waiver apply only to the expansion draft? Or can he now be moved via trade as well (not that there’s anyone out there who is asking for him).

On reflection it must be only the expansion draft otherwise the Flames could be real jerks and move him to the minors to save $1.125 on the cap next year.

[Monahammer]

I hope Lucic stays personally. Would rather Gio get taken at this point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FudsMcDuff

Am I out to lunch in thinking Lucic, if drafted by the Krakken, could be named team captain? Similar to Engelland and Vegas?
We've certainly heard much about his leadership qualities and he knows what it takes to win.

Engelland had a few more positives. He was living in Vegas, he only cost them $1M for one year and for that $1M he helped them hit the floor without expense because his AAV as a 35+ was $2M. He was never captain BTW, I don’t know if you were thinking that. Stone is their first captain.

A closer parallel would be if they signed Ryan, who is also a pending UFA, from the state and who would be cheap and likely play above his contract.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I hope Lucic stays personally. Would rather Gio get taken at this point.

Well that's ridiculous...you could trade Gio for a first likely and his contract is done after this season

[FudsMcDuff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Engelland had a few more positives. He was living in Vegas, he only cost them $1M for one year and for that $1M he helped them hit the floor without expense because his AAV as a 35+ was $2M. He was never captain BTW, I don’t know if you were thinking that. Stone is their first captain.

A closer parallel would be if they signed Ryan, who is also a pending UFA, from the state and who would be cheap and likely play above his contract.

Thanks for the clarification - I really thought Engelland was captain, not sure where that came from.

I know Looch isn't a Seattle local, but Van is pretty close - part of my rationale.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by FudsMcDuff

Thanks for the clarification - I really thought Engelland was captain, not sure where that came from.

I know Looch isn't a Seattle local, but Van is pretty close - part of my rationale.

Initially he was looked upon as the leader in the community since he lived in Las Vegas. He did some speaking on behalf of the team as the Vegas shooting happened on October 1, just before their first season was to begin.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Monahan is indeed a concern at this stage of the contract, 2/3 done. Even so, he’s not wildly overpaid compared to most other centres at his level of production. Go look. Especially if he starts to improve his 200 foot game, which is a subject of a lot of debate here. And if the cap had gone up as expected it would be even less of an issue.

Rasmus in his 3rd full season but after a shortened second season. I am not counting his 1 game and 10 game seasons. I would add that, production wise, he’s way ahead of any previous pace. He’s equaled his points from his rookie year (which was 79 games) or last year (22 points in 70 games). He’s got 19 in 50. I’m really not concerned about his contract.

Well not to be a stickler but last year was Andersson' sophomore season. He played 71 games after playing 79 the year before. Unlike Monahan, I would not look at production as the primary measuring stick for his performance. I like his shot and he seems a little more confident in the O zone, but he has spent most of the year scrambling from being out of position and the team's metrics when he's on the ice are bad.

Monahan unfortunately is "wildly overpaid" for his play this year. He is 60th in AAV among forwards. He is 162nd in goals and 155th in points. Not like he makes up for it with his defensive play or intangibles.

They're two of the most obvious examples of guys not playing up to their contracts this year.