The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[BigT112]

If he were to get fired, would Dave Cameron step in as coach. Because that would be worse.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Personally, I choose to base my opinion on a coach based off of results instead of anecdotes and knee-jerk reactions.

Last year, the powerplay wasn't working to start the season, which is why it was changed. Versteeg was put on the point, and he ended up leading the team in powerplay goals. Now, it clearly isn't working anymore, so who's to say that it won't be changed again?

Trust the process.

Flames need to perform here they have no draft picks!!! Treliving needs to look in the mirror and see that GG is not the one who will take this team to next level. Throw a sh*t load of money at Sutter and watch him work his magic.

[kyuss275]

lol. Not this crap again. You posters were doing the same thing last year at this time, blaming GG and not the players.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm not "trying" to do anything. Feel free to question the justification for me starting this thread -- which, I feel, is well-founded -- but considering the lack of good options available out there and what I've seen from Gulutzan, I don't support a coaching change.



For the record, Darryl Sutter would be an absolutely horrible option that I want no part of. Look what L.A. is doing now that they've been freed from his "system". The Flames aren't built for his teachings anymore, they're designed for old and slow teams, which the Kings of 2012 and 2014 were but aren't anymore, and the Flames haven't been since like 2012.

Very little to do with systems, though I do believe Sutter would have one that is better than Gulutzan’s. The difference is Sutter commands respect and his players compete hard. Gulutzan has completely lost the room. How do you justify to Bennett and Jankowski that Stajan, Glass and Brouwer all deserve more TOI?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Flames need to perform here they have no draft picks!!! Treliving needs to look in the mirror and see that GG is not the one who will take this team to next level. Throw a a sh*t load or money at Sutter and watch him work his magic.

Darryl Sutter held the Kings back for two years after they missed the playoffs in 2015. He's an absolutely terrible coach who runs a system completely incompatible with the Flames' style. He almost ran Anze Kopitar and Dustin Brown into the ground, and now that he's gone, they're the class of the Pacific Division.

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Gulutzan has completely lost the room.

You have absolutely no idea if this is true.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Darryl Sutter:
634-467 Regular Season record
89-81 Playoffs record
17 playoff rounds won
2 Stanley Cups

Glen Gully:
114-95 Regular Season
0-4 Playoffs
0 playoff rounds won
0 stanley cups

Even if Gully gets us to the playoffs, I doubt he's going to have much success.

Are you really comparing a vet coach who did a lot of his coaching during a different era to a young coach who has not had near the talent to work with nor the time? Compare Scotty Bowman's record to Mike Babcock's and you can do the same thing. Dumb argument.

[FireGilbert]

Wasn't there a similar thread last year around this time? Bring back Hartley or something?

Firing the coach is an overreaction 11 games into the season. The 2nd half of last season made me like Gulutzen and am willing to give him the entire season but even considering wanting him fired.

[GullFoss]

Yeah - Brad Tre better move quick or he's going to be giving up a real good draft pick in next years draft

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jesus Christ. Talk about a ####ing knee-jerk reaction. It's been eleven games and this is hardly the most surprising start to a season in the NHL. The way I've seen it, while I agree that specialty teams need to be improved, that's Dave Cameron's responsibility and his track record is the opposite of pristine. In terms of an actual system, well, we saw from December to March last year what Gulutzan's system can look like when it's implemented properly.

From where I sit, the Flames are already well ahead of their development curve when compared to last year and are in a much better position moving forward. If I was to make a change, I'd change around some of the forwards on the roster and maybe consider an external addition, but again, that's not on Gulutzan, it's Treliving's job.

Also, for the record, Gulutzan is hardly "inexperienced". He has over five years of NHL coaching experience.

Exactly, 5 years. He is what he is as a coach. Zero success in 5 years, and he still makes baffling and stupid in game decisions. He was a cheap out hire when successful, but expensive coaches weren't even called to interview.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BigT112

If he were to get fired, would Dave Cameron step in as coach. Because that would be worse.

He did have the Senators playing well initially. It's not like he would be the long term guy but if he could light a fire under the players at least in for the rest of the season it may be worth it. That said Gulutzan isn't getting fired during the season.

[DJones]

Almost miss Hartley right now. Team actually has enough skill that his system wouldn't be a such a #### show.

At least they cared back then.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Are you really comparing a vet coach who did a lot of his coaching during a different era to a young coach who has not had near the talent to work with nor the time? Compare Scotty Bowman's record to Mike Babcock's and you can do the same thing. Dumb argument.

He won his stanely cups in 2012 and 2014. He won the cups in the current era.

IF the flames window has opened - and its a 3-4 year window - how many of those years do you want an inexperienced coach at the helm vs a veteran coach who has a proven ability to coach teams into Stanely Cup contenders?

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

1) Defensive coverage is passive and lacks intensity



2) Special teams are terrible. No one moves their feet on the PP. The PK is passive. The line combinations on the PP are bad. Bad special teams was cited as a reason behind the Hartley firing. So don't give me any bull#### about "its not GG who does the PP."



3) Outside of the 3M line, no one battles well in the offensive zone. As a result, there is no zone pressure



4) Ice time management is piss poor. The fourth line is getting 10-15 minutes a game, but is composed of Stajan and Glass, two players that are AHLers at best.



5) Bennett - the highest draft pick in flames history - isn't developing properly





All of the above issues are coaching issue. Its time for Glen to go. The window isn't open for very long - we cant afford to have an inexperienced and ineffective coach at the helm.

Out of thanks, but spot on.

[dissentowner]

I have faith in Glen, while I may not agree with some of his ice time decisions he is an NHL coach and I am not so who am I to question it? I think he is a brilliant guy and he will turn this around.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Exactly, 5 years. He is what he is as a coach. Zero success in 5 years, and he still makes baffling and stupid in game decisions. He was a cheap out hire when successful, but expensive coaches weren't even called to interview.

Which "expensive coach" would you rather hire?

[Caged Great]

This team seems to be confused on how it's built. It's trying to be a finesse team, when they only have a couple of finesse players. They are trying to be a fast team when they are not overly so. They should adapt the system to fit the personnel instead of trying to fit the personnel into the system. That was why Bouwmeester was horrible until Hartley started to utilize his strengths.

The Flames strengths are puck possession, and toughness. They need to bully the other teams and be more physically assertive. Instead they tried to neuter that aspect in guys like Ferland and Lazar and frankly they have been horrible. They are trying to be something they are not.

It is fine to have finesse players and be a physical team. Sutter did well with having Huselius and Tanguay. Skill is skill and is completely separate from everything else.

Eric Francis was right in the intermission, that this team has no identity because they are not using their players correctly. At all.

If that doesn't change, there should be changes.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Darryl Sutter held the Kings back for two years after they missed the playoffs in 2015. He's an absolutely terrible coach who runs a system completely incompatible with the Flames' style. He almost ran Anze Kopitar and Dustin Brown into the ground, and now that he's gone, they're the class of the Pacific Division.



You have absolutely no idea if this is true.

You have absolutely no idea if this is true.

[Sandman]

I'll say it yet again-we were arguably the best team in the league in the second half of last season, and we for sure were the best for a stretch of almost 2 months. That certainly is not due to Elliott playing well.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

He won his stanely cups in 2012 and 2014. He won the cups in the current era.

IF the flames window has opened - and its a 3-4 year window - how many of those years do you want an inexperienced coach at the helm vs a veteran coach who has a proven ability to coach teams into Stanely Cup contenders?

Because those Kings teams could have been coached by you and won. The one year they barely squeaked in and then Quick carried them a lot. They were also a big physical team that wore opponents out physically. The Flames are not that type of team. Darryl Sutter turned Anze Kopitar into an offensive black hole compared to what he was, he killed any offense from Dustin Brown. Look at how those players are doing now they have escaped from that outdated system. The Sutter era is over, good riddance!

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jesus Christ. Talk about a ####ing knee-jerk reaction. It's been eleven games and this is hardly the most surprising start to a season in the NHL. The way I've seen it, while I agree that specialty teams need to be improved, that's Dave Cameron's responsibility and his track record is the opposite of pristine. In terms of an actual system, well, we saw from December to March last year what Gulutzan's system can look like when it's implemented properly.

From where I sit, the Flames are already well ahead of their development curve when compared to last year and are in a much better position moving forward. If I was to make a change, I'd change around some of the forwards on the roster and maybe consider an external addition, but again, that's not on Gulutzan, it's Treliving's job.

Also, for the record, Gulutzan is hardly "inexperienced". He has over five years of NHL coaching experience.

Totally disagree with this. Totally.