Whats your stance on gun control ?

[trumpethead]

The cowardice of the GOP and the 4 DEM senators who voted this down is appalling. 90% of US adults in favour of stronger background checks - yet they side with the NRA. Obama was the picture of frustration and anger in that presser.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I am rather enjoying the strong language Obama's using right now, in his press conference. Good on him.

What did he say?

[Clever_Iggy]

I'm not surprised at all. After the Newtown massacre the was a false momentum to enact tougher laws. The NRA is more powerful than anyone imagines - fully funded, highly connected, with some incredibly smart strategists, lawyers, politicians working for them.

It's not that Obama shouldn't have tried, but I'm actually surprised it was as close of a vote as it was.

Gun culture in the US is so entrenched, I can't imagine any scenario in which gun "rights" are "infringed" on a national level.

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

90% of US adults in favour of stronger background checks - yet they side with the NRA.

Are you making up numbers?

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Are you making up numbers?

Its widely reported.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle11036218/

"But with public opinion polls showing that up to 90 per cent of Americans favour expanded background checks, other Republicans have said Mr. Obama’s proposals should get a Senate vote."

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by neo45

What did he say?

Watch here.

[DuffMan]

morons

[DuffMan]

about a week or so ago, I saw a senator or congressman or whatever frpm Pennsylvania on PMorgan who said he has changed his mind on all of this since Newtown and will now vote in favor of background checks etc.

He said what changed his mind is he imagines one of the dead kids asking him if he has done everything possible to stop it from happening again.

People there just don't care about children being massacred, frickin hillbillys.

[mustache ride]

It's kinda funny hearing Obama bitch about minorities. Tee Hee. I realize it is an important subject and i agree with locking down guns but every time he says minorities and gets mad in that clip i start laughing. Plus 90% seems like an imaginary number just on the gun lobby alone.

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

It's kinda funny hearing Obama bitch about minorities. Tee Hee. I realize it is an important subject and i agree with locking down guns but every time he says minorities and gets mad in that clip i start laughing. Plus 90% seems like an imaginary number just on the gun lobby alone.

Do you understand the difference between a "senate minority" and a visible minority?

[Minnie]

Tee hee?

[mustache ride]

Thanks tips! I wonder what colour my skin is? Still funny though! "Damn minorities bringing their values and screwing it up for everyone else." Sounds like an angry old white man ahahhah. As if the exact same thing hasn't been said about him a million times by old white men around the US since the day he got elected.

[troutman]

Captain America should punch LaPierre in the face.

[Bobblehead]

Adolphus Busch IV just resigns his life membership in the NRA

http://www.ksdk.com/assetpool/docume...20to%20NRA.pdf

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Adolphus Busch IV just resigns his life membership in the NRA

http://www.ksdk.com/assetpool/docume...20to%20NRA.pdf

good for him, this is a fairly significant resignation.

More people need to line up behind him.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

about a week or so ago, I saw a senator or congressman or whatever frpm Pennsylvania on PMorgan who said he has changed his mind on all of this since Newtown and will now vote in favor of background checks etc.

He said what changed his mind is he imagines one of the dead kids asking him if he has done everything possible to stop it from happening again.

People there just don't care about children being massacred, frickin hillbillys.

Oh I think they care but they care about their positions of power and their pocket books more. I think the American political system is on a one way ticket to melt down as a Democracy. The NRA and various money interests have bought congress.

[Azure]

IMO, the NRA is simply a pawn for the gun industry who cares more about their profit margin than they do about common sense ideas like indepth background checks.

The idea of 'right to bear arms'...that they so often bring up has long been simply rhetoric.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Oh I think they care but they care about their positions of power and their pocket books more. I think the American political system is on a one way ticket to melt down as a Democracy. The NRA and various money interests have bought congress.

You're right as far as the politicians go, and the general public probably cares to, until someone tells them they are losing their personal freedoms, that come with owning a gun without background checks or licensing. Their freedom to do that is more important than trying to curb senseless murders on innocent people.

I can't see the NRA existing in it's present form in another 50 years. I hope it is relegated to a status of a Milli Vanilli fan club.

Unfortunately change takes time and this one will take some time, but at least there is the discussion now.

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

You're right as far as the politicians go, and the general public probably cares to, until someone tells them they are losing their personal freedoms, that come with owning a gun without background checks or licensing. Their freedom to do that is more important than trying to curb senseless murders on innocent people.

I can't see the NRA existing in it's present form in another 50 years. I hope it is relegated to a status of a Milli Vanilli fan club.

Unfortunately change takes time and this one will take some time, but at least there is the discussion now.

I blame it on the rain

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Oh I think they care but they care about their positions of power and their pocket books more. I think the American political system is on a one way ticket to melt down as a Democracy. The NRA and various money interests have bought congress.

One of the big Venture Capitalists in Silicon valley, Ron Conway, has decided to do his best to get those senators voted out.

"We will employ the most sophisticated social media campaign ever built to remove these people from office," Conway told The San Francisco Chronicle. "Our Congress has ceased to be representative. It is up to the citizens to remove those people who don’t represent them."

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And who is Ron Conway?

Known as the godfather of Silicon Valley, Conway is a longtime angel investor who has plugged money into Google, Twitter, Square and countless other well-known companies. Increasingly, however, he has also been flexing political power in San Francisco and elsewhere.

He was a mover in the industry’s campaign to kill the much despised Stop Online Piracy Act in late 2011, considered a political coming of age moment for the tech sector.

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BTW, here is a link with the break-down of the polling numbers for the 90% in favour of background checks, as well as other questions.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes...ReleaseID=1877