2011 Canadian Election Thread

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Seriously, we're trashing the Liberals by talking about Chretien now? This is getting desperate.

It's now been almost 10 years without Jean Chretien in power. Die cast partisans I tell you. No point arguing with them. Next we'll be talking about the NEP which is 30 years old. Paul Martin also made overtures to Alberta stalling on Kyoto for example, but that's just conveniently forgotten.

Well since Chretien is out campaigning with Ignatieff then you can certainly bring him back up. And Chretien deserves to be trashed.

[Tinordi]

Unless finding common ground means that there was no compromising?

Which would be odd to say the least.

That's the same guy who said in the article that I posted said this?

The Conservatives knew exactly what they were doing when they offered a "fig leaf" they knew fell far short of what the NDP was asking for, the party's finance critic said Tuesday, adding the government is trying to "force an election."

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[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Well since Chretien is out campaigning with Ignatieff then you can certainly bring him back up. And Chretien deserves to be trashed.

Sure but that's my point about this discussion in a way. That long memories, grudges if you will aren't politically productive.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

That's the same guy who said in the article that I posted said this?

The Conservatives knew exactly what they were doing when they offered a "fig leaf" they knew fell far short of what the NDP was asking for, the party's finance critic said Tuesday, adding the government is trying to "force an election."

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There you go. The Conservatives compromised but since it wasn't exactly what the NDP were looking for, they rejected it. What part of this being a compromise do you not get?

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Said the pot to the kettle...

Not true, I've actually voted for the Reform Party back in the day and even the NDP. How many different federal parties have you voted for?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

That's the same guy who said in the article that I posted said this?

The Conservatives knew exactly what they were doing when they offered a "fig leaf" they knew fell far short of what the NDP was asking for, the party's finance critic said Tuesday, adding the government is trying to "force an election."

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yup same guy who clearly changed his tune after his boss helped force the election...stunning he would do that huh?

Im gonna go watch the canucks end the Hawks misery.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Ark2

There you go. The Conservatives compromised but since it wasn't exactly what the NDP were looking for, they rejected it. What part of this being a compromise do you not get?

You'd have to think the NDP would have at least considered the CPC offer if it was in anyway close to meeting halfway on their demands. That would have been the most substantive input the NDP has had on Government policy since the Trudeau days. Would have been a good salvo against the Liberals as well showing the center/left-of-centre crowd that they are effective at influencing policy.

The fact that no one is even acknowledging the possibility that those talks between the two parties was simply CPC window dressing isn't germane to the discussion but that's what you get when you talk politics on the internet.

[Resolute 14]

My god, you just love talking down to people, don't you, Tinordi?

It's interesting that you say you've voted Reform and NDP, as your attitude pegs you as a total Liberal: The arrogant belief that everyone should just accept you are right.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

You'd have to think the NDP would have at least considered the CPC offer if it was in anyway close to meeting halfway on their
demands.

Do you seriously not understand what a compromise is? Compromising does not mean that one side entirely gives in to the demands of the other party, so your statement is without merit.

The fact that no one is even acknowledging the possibility that those talks between the two parties was simply CPC window dressing isn't germane to the discussion but that's what you get when you talk politics on the internet.

The Conservatives have acknowledged it, which makes sense since it is in their best interest to try and show that they attempted to compromise. The NDP are blowing it off as "window dressing" which also makes sense because it would not look good if they defeated a government that was open to working with opposition parties. We can't really be certain of the level of compromise that either side was willing to concede to, however, an attempt to compromise was clearly made by the Conservatives.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Tindori

You'd have to think the NDP would have at least considered the CPC offer if it was in anyway close to meeting halfway on their demands.

Originally Posted by Ark2

Do you seriously not understand what a compromise is? Compromising does not mean that one side entirely gives in to the demands of the other party, so your statement is without merit.

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So... Meeting halfway is giving in entirely to demands?

[Calgaryborn]

The problem with a minority government and the compromise that comes with it is that more borrowed money gets spent. The Liberals and the NDP won't be going to Harper demanding restraint. They want spending. Harper could have tabled a budget that would have passed easily but, Canadian taxpayers would have regretted it.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

[T]he Liberal's just treat it like a lost cause and don't even bother, which is really wrong for a national party.

Have you ever thought that maybe they decided that doing whatever it takes to reconnect with Alberta would take away to many resources for them to be effective in other parts of the country? Politicians will do anything for a vote and I think the fact that the Liberals look at what it takes to reconnect in Alberta and say even they can't be bothered speaks volumes about Albertans' unreasonableness.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Actually I can understand cap and trade, and if implemented fairly without giving breaks to Quebec and Ontario industries it can work. Companies will find ways to reduce their carbon emissions to reduce the cost of credits. This is a market based initiative that gives producers an opportunity to control and improve on their production practices.

Simply stating 'No tanker traffic off the west coast regardless' is the one that really bothers me. That's basically denying the industry the ability to sell it's product to an international market. It would also handcuff LNG ports already under construction at Kitimat. It would also cut back on tankers we already ship from the transmountain pipeline.

Now that sounds reasonable.

[Ford Prefect]

"Reconnect" is an inappropriate term to use in relation to the Liberal Party of Canada and Albertans.

[Drury18]

Has anyone else recieved an automated phone call from PC Candidate Lee Richardson which when you pick up he states he is sorry to have missed your call and that he is holding a town hall meeting tomorrow. If you want to be part of this meeting then all I have to do is pick up the phone at 6:30pm tomorrow night when he calls

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Addick

Have you ever thought that maybe they decided that doing whatever it takes to reconnect with Alberta would take away to many resources for them to be effective in other parts of the country? Politicians will do anything for a vote and I think the fact that the Liberals look at what it takes to reconnect in Alberta and say even they can't be bothered speaks volumes about Albertans' unreasonableness.

The don't bitch about it when Alberta annihalates them in 13 days.

Its not up to Albertans to give them a chance, its up to them to earn it from voters.

[old-fart]

Can some Liberal supporter please tell me why anyone should believe anything Iffy says when it comes to democracy? He whined on and on in his interview today, an interview he completely tanked, that "you can't trust that guy with democracy, so you can't trust him with anything".

Perhaps someone could explain why we should trust Iffy with democracy when he ignores it in the house (worst attendance record of anyone) and didn't even bother to stand for election of the leadership of his own party.

It's pretty clear who doesn't believe in democracy here....

[transplant99]

If the CPC have some coalition ads in the vault, I expect to see them break them out and on the air in the next couple days...probably in time for Thursday night.

[Stranger]

^ Ignatieff says he'd still like to be PM even if he loses. I'd say the coalition ads are on the way back to TV.

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cbc-ar...entid=28437910

[Ark2]

I heard that the Conservatives slipped 4 points in the polls today (this is just what my day told me so I can't speak to the accuracy of this number) so if they want any chance at a majority, they had better get on Iggnatief's slip-up and fast. If they do it right, they can implicate the NDP in it as well and steal back some momentum.