2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Maybe some are against it, but I really wouldn’t mind a Thomas, Tarasenko, and 2022/23 unprotected 1st (Calgary’s choice) for Tkachuk.

Tarasenko wants out, we’d be doing them a huge favor by taking on his contract. Tkachuk is a far better player, so I think we can get a bunch of good assets for him. They’ve no space to sign C/RW Thomas, we do.


EDIT: Parayko is also a good option, especially if we sent Andersson++ to Buffalo for Eichel

I don’t like this return at all. I don’t think Thomas has the upside and Tarasenko doesn’t really hold much value right now.

[mile]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Maybe some are against it, but I really wouldn’t mind a Thomas, Tarasenko, and 2022/23 unprotected 1st (Calgary’s choice) for Tkachuk.

Tarasenko wants out, we’d be doing them a huge favor by taking on his contract. Tkachuk is a far better player, so I think we can get a bunch of good assets for him. They’ve no space to sign C/RW Thomas, we do.


EDIT: Parayko is also a good option, especially if we sent Andersson++ to Buffalo for Eichel

Tkachuk + Andersson to STL for 2022 1st, Parayko, Thomas or Kyrou, Neighbours


Is that a fair deal for both sides? Or is one giving up too much? Can't see Parayko having too much value with only a year left on his contract.



This is assuming STL moves out Tarasenko first and Buffalo wants the STL 1st and Neighbours in the Eichel package.



2022 STL and CGY 1sts, Neighbours, and one of Zary/Pelletier for Eichel.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by mile

Tkachuk + Andersson to STL for 2022 1st, Parayko, Thomas or Kyrou, Neighbours


Is that a fair deal for both sides? Or is one giving up too much? Can't see Parayko having too much value with only a year left on his contract.



This is assuming STL moves out Tarasenko first and Buffalo wants the STL 1st and Neighbours in the Eichel package.



2022 STL and CGY 1sts, Neighbours, and one of Zary/Pelletier for Eichel.

I think the Flames get fleeced in that deal.

[Niemo]

If the Flames trade Tkachuk, we need to get better now or in the future. That’s tough because Tkachuk is young and a top line winger.

I don’t know why Tkachuk is underrated on this forum now, but short of a haul or names like Eichel, Stutzle….. I just don’t see it. The Blues dont have a package that makes sense.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by mile

Tkachuk + Andersson to STL for 2022 1st, Parayko, Thomas or Kyrou, Neighbours


Is that a fair deal for both sides? Or is one giving up too much? Can't see Parayko having too much value with only a year left on his contract.



This is assuming STL moves out Tarasenko first and Buffalo wants the STL 1st and Neighbours in the Eichel package.



2022 STL and CGY 1sts, Neighbours, and one of Zary/Pelletier for Eichel.

Yikes, that’s a bad trade. I agree with another poster in that St. Louis doesn’t have attractive enough assets to get Tkachuk.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mile

Tkachuk + Andersson to STL for 2022 1st, Parayko, Thomas or Kyrou, Neighbours

Is that a fair deal for both sides? Or is one giving up too much? Can't see Parayko having too much value with only a year left on his contract.

This is assuming STL moves out Tarasenko first and Buffalo wants the STL 1st and Neighbours in the Eichel package.

2022 STL and CGY 1sts, Neighbours, and one of Zary/Pelletier for Eichel.

We lose massively, and then make it worse with the Eichel trade.

Out:
Tkachuk
Andersson
Neighbours
Zary/Pelletier
2 1st round picks

In:
Eichel (who doesn't play for a portion of next year)
Parayko
Kyrou or Thomas

Ruins the franchise for years.

[djsFlames]

Not sure any trade where you get the clear cut best player at 24yo is a loss.

I don't think we'd give up two 1sts for Eichel though either. I think whoever gets him trades one 1st and possibly a 2nd along with prospects.

Trading Tkachuk for a few B pieces would be a loss but we may have no choice if he's not interested in being here long term.

Kyrou/Thomas/Parayko are all great pieces in their own right. Not a Tkachuk, but will help a team.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Groot

We lose massively, and then make it worse with the Eichel trade.

Out:
Tkachuk
Andersson
Neighbours
Zary/Pelletier
2 1st round picks

In:
Eichel (who doesn't play for a portion of next year)
Parayko
Kyrou or Thomas

Ruins the franchise for years.

Overall it would be Calgary giving up:
Tkachuk
Andersson
Zary/Pelletier
2022 CGY 1st

and getting back:
Eichel
Kyrou/Thomas
Parayko

I agree Calgary probably does lose overall, would need another good piece coming back from STL or BUF to make it a better deal.

It depends how much one would value getting Eichel I guess. The STL deal on its own is a L, but those who want Eichel and think he would be the clear cut best player in the deal would still probably do it.

I can also see Sutter salivating at the idea of having two 6'6" defenders.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Niemo

If the Flames trade Tkachuk, we need to get better now or in the future. That’s tough because Tkachuk is young and a top line winger.

I don’t know why Tkachuk is underrated on this forum now, but short of a haul or names like Eichel, Stutzle….. I just don’t see it. The Blues dont have a package that makes sense.

I think people are only suggesting St Louis because they like patterns. Keith Tkachuk played in St. Louis and therefore so should Matthew

[Niemo]

If Matthew Tkachuk was available, no one the Blues should be untouchable.

[gvitaly]

If the Flames are trading Tkachuk an interesting target could be Svechnikov from CAR. I like Svechnikov as a player, add the fact that he is younger, and with more team control. I still think Tkachuk is the better player right now. He also fits CAR's window, with Trocheck and Niederreiter becoming UFAs after this season. It could be another win win trade for both teams.

[djsFlames]

Carolina is a destination that wouldn't bother me either.

Out of conference, non relevant american market, no prior rivalry.

Blues would be a little more annoying. Plus it would be giving Tkachuk what he wants if he is in fact prying his way out behind closed doors (still have my doubts). Would rather not be both sending out the best player in the transaction and sending him "home".

But it is the most rumoured destination spot to this point.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

If the Flames are trading Tkachuk an interesting target could be Svechnikov from CAR. I like Svechnikov as a player, add the fact that he is younger, and with more team control. I still think Tkachuk is the better player right now. He also fits CAR's window, with Trocheck and Niederreiter becoming UFAs after this season. It could be another win win trade for both teams.

I like the assets that Carolina has as well, I posted on here before I read something out of Carolina writer proposing something around Necas and Teravainen, that would be a really good base of a deal.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Groot

We lose massively, and then make it worse with the Eichel trade.

Out:
Tkachuk
Andersson
Neighbours
Zary/Pelletier
2 1st round picks

In:
Eichel (who doesn't play for a portion of next year)
Parayko
Kyrou or Thomas

Ruins the franchise for years.

Strongly disagree. If we ended up with Eichel, Parayko, and Kyrou for those pieces that's a homerun. A franchise C, a top 6 RS RW with 1st line upside and a top 4 D man. Sign me up.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Strongly disagree. If we ended up with Eichel, Parayko, and Kyrou for those pieces that's a homerun. A franchise C, a top 6 RS RW with 1st line upside and a top 4 D man. Sign me up.

I think we can do better than that, Parayko has started to slide a little. Just my opinion.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Niemo

If the Flames trade Tkachuk, we need to get better now or in the future. That’s tough because Tkachuk is young and a top line winger.

I don’t know why Tkachuk is underrated on this forum now, but short of a haul or names like Eichel, Stutzle….. I just don’t see it. The Blues dont have a package that makes sense.

This is where I am at too, Flames need to swing for the fences and demand a kings ransom for MT just like Buffalo is doing. It is poor asset management if they are just going to send him where he wants to go at this point. Get all teams involved see what the offers are.

Not sold on the idea to send Calgary's and St Louis 1st to Buffalo. This is just giving Buffalo a kings ransom + additional players. Should Calgary's focus be on the one team MT;s dad works for.

[Roof-Daddy]

If.....IF.....Tkachuk's end goal is to end up with the Blues, how much of a secret is that going to be?

If teams suspect that is where he wants to go, and know he can just go ahead and do that in two years time, how much will they be willing to give up to get two seasons of Tkachuk?

If other teams know this, won't St. Louis know this too? Pretty sure his dad will know Matt's intentions.

How much will the Blues be willing to give up to get Matt two years early if they know full well he's theirs in the summer of 2023? My guess is not very much.

If.....IF....Matt intends on going to the Blues when he hits free agency, the Flames are pretty much screwed given the inside track the Blues most surely have through Keith.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If.....IF.....Tkachuk's end goal is to end up with the Blues, how much of a secret is that going to be?

If teams suspect that is where he wants to go, and know he can just go ahead and do that in two years time, how much will they be willing to give up to get two seasons of Tkachuk?

If other teams know this, won't St. Louis know this too? Pretty sure his dad will know Matt's intentions.

How much will the Blues be willing to give up to get Matt two years early if they know full well he's theirs in the summer of 2023? My guess is not very much.

If.....IF....Matt intends on going to the Blues when he hits free agency, the Flames are pretty much screwed given the inside track the Blues most surely have through Keith.

^^This is why I think they should put MT on the market. There are teams that may be willing to take that risk and there may be other teams that MT wants to play for. Take Pittsburgh for example, who wouldn't want to play for Sid Crosby. You don't know what the offers are if you don't put him out there. Flames shouldn't operate like St louis has them over a barrel. My guess is that some teams would be willing to take that risk and can offer more. If anything your forcing St Louis to up their offer.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha. I get irrationally nervous about a potential Tkachuk trade. Especially if STL is the partner. Parayko....big right shot Dman from western Canada. I could see both Treliving and Sutter really coveting him. And I don't mind Parayko, just not as the main piece for Tkachuk.

Parayko is on some lists as one of the top 30 d-men in the league. He would instantly become the #1 or #2 d-man on the Flames. If he comes back in a deal for Tkachuk, he will be the main piece.

The problem with picking up Parayko in a trade is what do you do with Anderson? You’re not paying him $4.5m to play on the third pairing. This is why hockey trades are so hard to make these days.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Parayko is on lists as one of the top 30 d-men in the league. He would instantly become the #1 d-man on the Flames. If he comes back in a deal for Tkachuk, he will be the main piece.

The problem with picking up Parayko in a trade is what do you do with Anderson? You’re not paying him $4.5m to play on the third pairing. This is why hockey trades are so hard to make these days.

The other problem is Parayko only has one year left on his current deal, and then he's a 29 year old UFA Dman who will be getting either a massive extension that won't be a bargain, or he'll be gone down the road.