[GT] 2018 IIHF World Championships (May 4 - 20)

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm not really reading much into world championship resumes.


Its a shinny tournament with little intensity more bum teams then good teams and the coach is trying to bring together a roster of players from losing teams that are air dropped in at the last moment.


Its far and away different from coaching an NHL team where you have a lot of time to game plan based on the players that you have, and build the team that you want to build.


Because this is a Canadian all star team of players from loser teams dropped in a week or so ahead of time, the coach is basically stuck with a rudimentary game plan and the job of yelling "Change em up"


Peter's performance here has very little impact on his NHL job.


Even with things like the World Juniors there are months and camps to bring a team into alignment and into focus.


The world Championships is meh, half of the players accept so that they can stay on the ice and bring their wives and girlfriends on an all paid vacation to Europe.

Everything you said I agree with, except the paid vacation part. These guys don’t do this for the free trip hahah.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm not really reading much into world championship resumes.


Its a shinny tournament with little intensity more bum teams then good teams and the coach is trying to bring together a roster of players from losing teams that are air dropped in at the last moment.


Its far and away different from coaching an NHL team where you have a lot of time to game plan based on the players that you have, and build the team that you want to build.

Yeah. . . . But didn't Treliving base his choice to sign Peters in large part because of Tre's experience with him in a previous World Championships?

In the end, all I'm saying is that it, given my ambivalence over Peters' hiring due to his lack of track record of success, it sure would have provided me with a bit of welcome optimism if the team was flying under him, rather than hoping that this is yet another underskilled team on which his coaching brilliance is being wasted.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Yeah. . . . But didn't Treliving base his choice to sign Peters in large part because of Tre's experience with him in a previous World Championships?

In the end, all I'm saying is that it, given my ambivalence over Peters' hiring due to his lack of track record of success, it sure would have provided me with a bit of welcome optimism if the team was flying under him, rather than hoping that this is yet another underskilled team on which his coaching brilliance is being wasted.

Sure, but not his coaching at the WC. His discussions and rapport with him.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Yeah. . . . But didn't Treliving base his choice to sign Peters in large part because of Tre's experience with him in a previous World Championships?

In the end, all I'm saying is that it, given my ambivalence over Peters' hiring due to his lack of track record of success, it sure would have provided me with a bit of welcome optimism if the team was flying under him, rather than hoping that this is yet another underskilled team on which his coaching brilliance is being wasted.

So was winning gold last year a better reflection of his coaching than the underwhelming results so far this year?
I'd suggest neither are.

[memphusk]

I would suggest it's a ####ty tournament.

[Ashasx]

I mean... didn't Peters win this tournament in 2016? And then Jon Cooper, who is still around in the playoffs right now, lost it last year?

You absolutely cannot evaluate a coach in a tournament like this.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Where is devo? Austria crushed Belarus!

First team in a decade to stay up!

ha! Still shocked tbh, didn't think they'd have it in them. Great stuff.

[Textcritic]

Wow. For all the problems Team Canada is having in goal at this tournament Scott Darling is playing like dog####. Man, what a terrible year he has had.

It is 8–3 for Team USA over Norge. There are 10 minutes left.

[Sec218]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure, but not his coaching at the WC. His discussions and rapport with him.

Tre hired Gulutzan for similar reasons. 😩

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sec218

Tre hired Gulutzan for similar reasons. 😩

So, basically the same reasons that every NHL General Manager employs when hiring a new coach?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, basically the same reasons that every NHL General Manager employs when hiring a new coach?

Some people get hired because of their experience and track record though, not just rapport in an interview.

Pretty fair to say that Treliving values rapport, ideology and systems a lot. Probably more than some GM’s.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, basically the same reasons that every NHL General Manager employs when hiring a new coach?

I wonder how it potentially affects ‘rapport’ if the pedigree of the coach is greater than that of the GM #politics #notaconcernhere

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Some people get hired because of their experience and track record though, not just rapport in an interview.

Okay, so which coaches have been hired on greater measure of their accomplishments than their vision?

Pretty fair to say that Treliving values rapport, ideology and systems a lot. Probably more than some GM’s.

Which GMs value ideology and systems less than Treliving, and more so in favour of a coach's record?

I think it is fair to say that Treliving hired the candidate which he believes is best suited and qualified to achieve success with his team. Discussions about how much more he values rapport over accomplishments, or which NHL General Managers gravitate moreso towards one or the other are no more than guesswork.

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2 point game so far today for Backlund against Switzerland. 1 goal, 1 assist. Sweden now leads 3-0, midway through the second.

Germany and Finland are currently tied 1-1 halfway through the second of their game. If Germany can win it, Canada will be able to finish second in the group without help from the US.


The US defeated Norway 9-3 earlier today. Gaudreau had one assist. He now has 8 points in 6 games, but is only tied for 4th on the team in points. Kane leads the whole tournament with 15 points in 6 games.

The US win also guarantees that Canada cannot win their group.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Okay, so which coaches have been hired on greater measure of their accomplishments than their vision?

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Which GMs value ideology and systems less than Treliving, and more so in favour of a coach's record?

I think it is fair to say that Treliving hired the candidate which he believes is best suited and qualified to achieve success with his team. Discussions about how much more he values rapport over accomplishments, or which NHL General Managers gravitate moreso towards one or the other are no more than guesswork.

^

I think it is fair to say that Treliving did so, but not absolutely, rather subject to a set of parameters within which he was working.

Likely budget, certainly availability, likely some other things, and, I suspect, political . For instance, consider the reports of Tippett’s failed coup.

Moreover, the questions everybody had on day 1 of his tenure still are valid.

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Germany scores late in the second and will take a 2-1 lead into the third over Finland. No points for Draisaitl, not even a shot. Finland is outshooting Germany 25-8 after 2.


Switzerland also scored a late one in the second to make the score 3-1 for Sweden.

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Another assist for Backlund. 3 point game. Sweden leads 4-2 late in the third.


Finland got a late PP and scored to tie the game. They're now headed to OT with Germany.

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And Germany wins it in OT.

If Canada can win both its games in regulation, Finland must defeat the US in regulation otherwise Canada will finish second in the group. However, the Finland-USA game will be played before Canada's final game against Germany, so Canada will know exactly what they need to do before the game even starts.

[Haplo]

Backlund 1+3 and got MVP for Sweden in the game. His best game by far this tournament. Seemed to have chemistry with Hörnqvist.

[Zoller]

Canada shouldn't overlook the Germans. They're coming off a silver medal at the olympics and just beat Finland