07-27-2007, 09:43 AM
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
Didn't Warner Brothers come up with a disc type that will play in either player?
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I know HD-DVD also has the DVD encoding on the disc so it will play in legacy DVD players; allowing people to build up their collection before buying a player. I would think Blu-Ray would also include the DVD encoding.
So, would that not mean the seeing as a Blu-Ray player can play DVDs, if I were to stick in an HD-DVD, it would be able to play the DVD portion of it?
Note- anywhere in the preceeding post where I said "DVD" without the "HD" prefix, I am talking about the old style DVDs that have been around for 10 years.
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07-27-2007, 09:50 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Most of the HD-DVD/DVD combo discs I've heard of (haven't seen one) are supposed to be flippers. HD-DVD on one side, DVD on the other. So yeah, the DVD side should play in a Bluray player.
Here's the WB format I was thinking of.
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07-27-2007, 09:50 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Combo players are already here.
Samsung BD-UP5000. Set for release in Q4. Estimated price $1049 US
LG-BH100 Available now. Estimates Price $1199 US but can be found for less
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07-27-2007, 10:04 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Didn't know they were already on the market, at least the LG one. But $1100? If people generally aren't interested in single format players, I can't see them being interested in a dual format player at that price.
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07-27-2007, 10:06 AM
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Well, $1100 is the starting cost; just as the current Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players once sold for that much and now are around $600.
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08-20-2007, 11:12 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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HD DVD just pulled out a major coup today with the announcement that previously neutral Paramount/Dreamworks have gone HD DVD exclusive and Shrek 3 and Transformers will be HD DVD exclusive.
http://www.viacom.com/NEWS/NewsText.aspx?RID=1042073
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08-20-2007, 11:23 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
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And suddenly we have ballgame.
Shrek is going to sell a ton of players.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-20-2007, 11:35 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
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Holy crap. Transformers and Shrek 3 in time for the holiday season, + hopefully $150-$199 players. Things might start looking up again for HD-DVD.
The only reason I haven't jumped onto the Blu-ray bandwagon is because it's Sony. I got burned by their MD players ><
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08-20-2007, 11:42 AM
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Missed the bus
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Some examples of sony's failed "standards" (sony in blue)
VHS > Beta
MP3 Players > MiniDisc
MP3 > ATRAC
SD Memory > Pro II Duo (maybe not totally failed b/c sony still uses it, but noone else does.)
_______ > UMD (UMDs are being abandoned by almost every film production company.)
My prediction:
HDDVD > BluRay
Sony keeps trying to set an industry standard, which, if it takes off, is rediculously lucritive. Fact is though, given their atrocious track record, noone wants to buy in to Sony's "standards".
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08-20-2007, 12:08 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Regorium
Holy crap. Transformers and Shrek 3 in time for the holiday season, + hopefully $150-$199 players. Things might start looking up again for HD-DVD.
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Fantastic news!
This is a HUGE plus for HD DVD. Finally some good news for my format of choice.
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08-20-2007, 12:33 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by ernie
You can total up all the movies sold for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray since the formats came out and that number is surpassed by the single week sales of mediocre regular old DVD movie.
The formats can battle all they likes but the fact still very much remains they are BOTH losing the war to regular old DVD.. In fact they are getting absolutely hammered. Very few people care about viewing a movie in HD. The only care about the movie being good.
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Well of course regular DVDs are outselling HD and Blu-ray, not many people have a 1080p TV. I'm sure when they become more mainstream, so will the HD and Blu-ray DVDs.
Working in service I go to customers houses all the time. Never once have I seen an HD-DVD, yet very frequently I'll see Blu-ray DVDs lying around, usually accompanied by a PS3. Just from this observation it looks to me like Blu-ray is kicking HD-DVD's ass right now.
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08-20-2007, 01:32 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
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FFS!
Earlier, I felt like Blu-Ray was running away with the game. I was hoping for a little more competition because competition will breed good products.
But, I hate the exclusive titles, on either side. All it will do is make people like me buy both formats, effectively negating the competition. I already have a PS3, but will buy a HD-DVD player (360) if this exclusivity goes any further. . .
Or, maybe 9gb downloaded rips of HD-DVD content will suffice.
Worse yet, what if a massive division of titles actually spells the end of HD at home movies? Too much division might end up with a tecnology that the mainstream consumer never supports because they are unsure of it. If the technology never sells, we'll be stuck with substandard DVD when there could have been something better.
Last edited by Draug; 08-20-2007 at 02:12 PM.
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08-20-2007, 01:40 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
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That wil be great, Not only Transformers & Shrek, But Star Trek will be exclusive to HD DVD as well. Can we only hope for Jack Ass films as well? Also CBS TV titles should also be exclusive in this deal as well. With Fox lacking in realsing any BD movies I wouldn'd be too surprised if they either flipped or atleast go the TotalHD route like WB.
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Last edited by greerb; 08-20-2007 at 01:45 PM.
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08-20-2007, 01:47 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Hmmm, Transformers might actually force me into purchasing the HD-DVD player for the 360. I was thinking about it for 300 but Transformers might force my hand.
MYK
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08-20-2007, 01:55 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Dreamworks is the one that has me excited.
Saving Private Ryan in HD would be awesome.
The Indiana Jones trilogy were all Paramount, as well.
__________________
"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-20-2007, 02:09 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Dreamworks is the one that has me excited.
Saving Private Ryan in HD would be awesome.
The Indiana Jones trilogy were all Paramount, as well.
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From the linked article:
"Today's announcement does not include films directed by Steven Spielberg as his films are not exclusive to either format."
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08-20-2007, 02:18 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Draug
From the linked article:
"Today's announcement does not include films directed by Steven Spielberg as his films are not exclusive to either format."
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Hmmmm, I missed that.
Although it makes sense to say that since Spielberg released movies for a bunch of different publishers (Jaws was Universal, The Color Purple was Warner, etc).
But I would imagine Saving Private Ryan would be included here since it is a Dreamworks movie, and all the Indy movies were Paramount.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-20-2007, 02:22 PM
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Missed the bus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Hmmmm, I missed that.
Although it makes sense to say that since Spielberg released movies for a bunch of different publishers (Jaws was Universal, The Color Purple was Warner, etc).
But I would imagine Saving Private Ryan would be included here since it is a Dreamworks movie, and all the Indy movies were Paramount.
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Isn't Spielberg a part-owner of Dreamworks? I'm confused.
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08-20-2007, 02:36 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alltherage
Isn't Spielberg a part-owner of Dreamworks? I'm confused.
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Yes, the full name is Dreamworks SKG.
Spielberg
Katzenberg
Geffin
But before forming Dreamworks, he was a director/producer and needed to get companies like Universal, Warner, et al to pay for production and/or distribution. So before Spielberg helped set up Dreamworks he has a bunch of movies by different distributors, some of which may release his films via Blu-ray.
I would guess that anything he has done since joining Dreamworks would be exclusively HD-DVD.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-20-2007, 02:57 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary
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I'm not sure I get it period... I have a nice DVD player with progressive scan, Component cables and a HD widescreen (5 year old rear projection) Toshiba TV... the picture when the source material is top quality is fantastic... I see absolutely no reason why I would jump to an expensive new format that I can't burn back ups for... IMHO the whole HD-DVD and Blu-ray is a bunch of B.S. to convince people they need something new, when in reality companies are just trying to get to a format that can't be pirated... most people don't have a good quality HD TV, if they do they probably don't have the right cables and/or DVD player...
That may not be true on this board but in general I think the majority of the population could get a whole new viewing experience just getting their DVD set up done right.
Additionally when DVD came out there was all these promises about how they could do multiple angles and this and that and million other things we would be amazed at, and other than a few releases most are not high quality transfers, have sound issues, have no multi-angle shots and very few special features... until we are at a point where every DVD is stuffed and we basically *HAVE* to have 2 discs in every release because the DVD is stuffed full of features... I'll pass.... I read something like 40% of PS3 owners didn't know it was a blu-ray player or what bluray was... I'm betting a whole crap load more than that knew it was a blu-ray player but would have bought it reguardless as they wanted a PS3.
I mean come on - Blazing Saddles recently came out on Blu-ray... did a 1974 western/comedy really need HD, and is the transfer some how amazingly better than the DVD version or is it just a cash cow, like all HD DVD/Blu-ray sans a select few will be, same as 80% of DVD releases today.
I think this is the war of suckers.
*edit*
As a FYI you can get any movie in DVD...
Last edited by MaDMaN_26; 08-20-2007 at 03:01 PM.
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