Iran

[GirlySports]

Should Palestine have taken the 1947 partition deal? I know it seemed unfair at the time and the leaders would have been called stupid for taking it but they've lost land ever since because Israel has a blank cheque.

[afc wimbledon]

In retrospect every deal Palestine has ever been offered has always been the one they should have taken, that said since the rise of the religious right hand in hand with Netanyahu in Israel I can't see them sticking to any deal anyway so at this point it's moot

[Manhattanboy]

The one offered by Rabin and Peres that included among other things an elevated freeway across the Negev Desert connecting the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and a free trade zone for Israel, Palestine and Jordan would have been the game changer.

Until October 7 I used to think the worst day in the history of Israel was the day Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated.

[Doctorfever]

https://globalnews.ca/news/11734260/...ity-officials/

Israel said Tuesday it killed two senior Iranian security officials in overnight strikes in a major blow to the country’s leadership. Tehran defiantly fired new salvos of missiles and drones at its Gulf Arab neighbors and Israel in a war that showed no signs of abating.


Both Ali Larijani, secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, and Gen. Gholam Reza Soleimani, the head of the Revolutionary Guard’s all-volunteer Basij force, were “eliminated last night,” Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said. Following the death of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in an airstrike on the first day of the war, Larijani was considered one of the most powerful figures in the country.

Both men were key to Iran’s violent crackdown on protests in January that challenged the theocracy’s 47-year rule. Iranian state media did not immediately confirm either death. The killings would strip Iran of important leaders as the Islamic Republic faces its greatest test in recent decades in its war with the United States and Israel.

Being framed as a big blow it Iran.

[The Fonz]

Ali Larijani killed.

24hrs after his tweet, where he implied Israel's willingness to execute a 9/11 style false flag on US soil.

https://twitter.com/user/status/2033119770237645261

[TheIronMaiden]

Not Iranians, Not Israelis, Not Americans will be speaking the truth. This is war. Everything you read is Propaganda.

[TheIronMaiden]

The Russian says he works for the Kremlin and he's on his way to go learn American propaganda techniques.

"What American propaganda techniques?" asks the American.

"Exactly," the Russian replies.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Not Iranians, Not Israelis, Not Americans will be speaking the truth. This is war. Everything you read is Propaganda.

This is why it is so important to have strong media and journalism. Professionals to try and get to the truth. The world has lost a lot of that in the past decade, and I don't think we can count on influencers and podcasters to fill in the gaps.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is why it is so important to have strong media and journalism. Professionals to try and get to the truth.

Which media is not compromised though? Genuinely, I'm not asking that to start a back and forth scrap.

Our media and it's "journalists" in recent history seem to be the greatest purveyors of propaganda. Or maybe it only seems "recent" because of my age - 38. Perhaps it's been going on for decades/generations and I was just too young to understand (or not alive).

An interesting quote from Joe Kent this morning, the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center who just resigned due to America's involvement in Israel's war with Iran:

"Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America First platform and sowed pro-war sentiments to encourage a war with Iran. This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing that Iran posed an imminent thread to the United States..."

[Fuzz]

Fonz, continue over here, not really Iran related:


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...55#post9684355

[Cappy]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gamble...missile-story/

Journalist receives death threats by men betting on the war.

What a time to be alive.

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/nytimes.com/post/3mhdmhdbrsq2c


Pretty great how Israeli demolition teams just roll into Lebanon and level an entire building because "Hezbollah was using it". Like, come on guys. It's a building. It didn't do anything wrong. If it's infested with rats, deal with the rats. But no, better to leave a pile of rubble behind for the rest of the citizens to have to deal with and navigate around. Great neighbours to have.

[Doctorfever]

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/us...t-march-17.amp

Iran’s Minister of Intelligence Esmaeil Khatib was killed overnight in a precision strike, a senior Israeli official told Fox News.

Khatib was responsible for overseeing Iran’s entire global terror apparatus, including sleeper cells in locations around the world. His targeting was a joint U.S. and Israeli effort on the intelligence front.

“This man had American blood on his hands. His network specifically targeted current and former U.S. officials, including President Donald Trump,” the official added.

Appears another top official struck.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Cappy

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gamble...missile-story/

Journalist receives death threats by men betting on the war.

What a time to be alive.

Still sounds suspicious.

[Bagor]

UK security adviser attended US-Iran talks and judged deal was within reach
Exclusive: Jonathan Powell thought Tehran’s ‘surprising’ offer on its nuclear programme could prevent rush to war, sources say.

Britain’s national security adviser, Jonathan Powell, attended the final talks between the US and Iran and judged that the offer made by Tehran on its nuclear programme was significant enough to prevent a rush to war, the Guardian can reveal.

Powell thought progress had been made in Geneva in late February and that the deal proposed by Iran was “surprising”, according to sources.

Two days after the talks ended, and after a date had been agreed for a further round of technical talks in Vienna, the US and Israel launched the attack on Iran.

Powell’s presence at the talks, and his close knowledge of how they were progressing, was confirmed by three sources.

One source said he was in the building at Oman’s ambassadorial residence in Cologny, Geneva, acting as an adviser, reflecting widespread concern about the US expertise on the talks represented by Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, Trump’s special envoy on several issues.

Kushner and Witkoff had invited Rafael Grossi, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), to the Geneva talks, to provide technical expertise, though Kushner would later claim that he and Witkoff had “a pretty deep understanding of the issues that matter in this”.

Nuclear experts would later say that Witkoff’s pronouncements on the Iran nuclear programme were riddled with basic errors.

Powell has long experience as a mediator, and one source said Powell brought an expert from the UK Cabinet Office with him. One western diplomat said: “Jonathan thought there was a deal to be done, but Iran were not quite there yet, especially on the issue of UN inspections of its nuclear sites.”

A former official who was briefed on the Geneva talks by some of the participants said: “Witkoff and Kushner did not bring a US technical team with them. They used Grossi as their technical expert, but that is not his job. So Jonathan Powell took his own team.

“The UK team were surprised by what the Iranians put on the table,” the former official added.

“It was not a complete deal, but it was progress and was unlikely to be the Iranians’ final offer. The British team expected the next round of negotiations to go ahead on the basis of the progress in Geneva.”

That next round of talks was due to take place in Vienna on Monday 2 March, but never happened. The US and Israel had launched their all-out attack two days earlier
Powell’s attendance at the Geneva talks, as well as at a previous set of meetings earlier in the month in the Swiss city, helps in part to explain the UK government’s reluctance to back the US attack on Iran, a reluctance that has put the UK-US relationship under unprecedented strain.

The UK saw no compelling evidence of an imminent threat of an Iranian missile attack on Europe, or of Iran securing a nuclear weapon. This is the first time it has become clear that Britain was so closely involved in the talks, and so had good reason to decide whether diplomatic options had been exhausted and a US attack was necessary.

Instead the UK regarded the attack as unlawful and premature since Powell believed the path remained open to a negotiated solution to the long-running issue of how Iran could reassure the US that it was not seeking a nuclear weapon.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-within-reach

Kushner and Witkoff. So knowledgeable on nuclear matters they saw it fit to not take a technical team with them.

Would be interesting to hear what Mr Grossi's takeaway from the meeting was and what he told Kushner and Witkoff. You'd think that would carry significant weight. Particularly by what the Brits took away from the meeting.

[Firebot]

Israel directly attacks a major natural gas field in Iran (South Pars), Iran retaliates and hits a gas field in Saudi Arabia along with the Ras Laffan refinery in Qatar.

#### around and find out.

Like what is the expected outcome here? Iran obviously cannot defend well against both Israel and US, but it can still cause extreme damage to all surrounding areas as well as control the straight of Hormuz. They have gone tit for tat and will continue to have the ability to do so for quite a long time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t

Trump looks like a completely bumbling idiot without any control whatsoever of the situation.

Iran cannot be taken out without a very costly ground invasion (which of course in itself would be extremely dumb), and is more than capable to retaliate against soft targets.

[calumniate]

So how is Iran's water problem going these days? Ugh.. some things just getting completely ignored right now

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by calumniate

So how is Iran's water problem going these days? Ugh.. some things just getting completely ignored right now

well if you are Iran's leadership great, 2 weeks ago they were responsible for their own populations ####ty lives and their fall was all but inevitable, now it's all the fault of Israel and the US and they are back in charge again with no end in sight, there are times when it seems Bibi is doing everything in his power to keep the theocracy in power in Iran

[Firebot]

Way way worse. Israel / US targeted Iranian desalination plants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/c...er-crisis.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...alination.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...atest-weakness

It's not ignored at all. In fact, water is one of the biggest weaponized aspects of this war and its impacts has been talked about extensively (and that Iran itself can go scorched earth against the rest of the middle east and render it largely unhabitable). So far for the most part desalination plants have been mostly spared, but that can change on a dime.

But now with this conflict, the Iranian regime can shift the blame of its water problem to the US / Israel.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Israel directly attacks a major natural gas field in Iran (South Pars), Iran retaliates and hits a gas field in Saudi Arabia along with the Ras Laffan refinery in Qatar.

#### around and find out.

Like what is the expected outcome here? Iran obviously cannot defend well against both Israel and US, but it can still cause extreme damage to all surrounding areas as well as control the straight of Hormuz. They have gone tit for tat and will continue to have the ability to do so for quite a long time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t

Trump looks like a completely bumbling idiot without any control whatsoever of the situation.

Iran cannot be taken out without a very costly ground invasion (which of course in itself would be extremely dumb), and is more than capable to retaliate against soft targets.

I think Iran's defense strategy was always to make anything against them into a wider conflict. Knowing that Iran would go off like a cluster bomb in the region was supposed to be the deterence to ever attacking them. I think knowing that is the main thing holding back other countries in the region from larger scale retaliation. If you do and the world goes even further into hell, it justifies their strategy.