Iran

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Someone definitely would have claimed you have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Which turns out to just be people who recognized what he was before most others did and were desperately trying to stop a massive mistake. Oh well!

Though to be fair I love the term “Trump Derangement Syndrome” because anyone who accuses someone else of having it reveals themselves to be giant losers.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Reported by Reuters that Israel is running critically low on interceptors.

Trump essentially begging countries to help secure the Strait of Hormuz.

The US and Israel lack of planning and awareness of Irans capabilities/strategies is showing high here. And now the rest of the world has to deal with their bull#### effects of a war.

And some people on this website thought this was a good idea?

[Itse]

When a regime slaughters tens of thousands of its own citizens, it's not that hard to see the appeal of someone attacking that regime. The Iranian regime ARE scum, after all.

Its easy to rationalize something when you want it to be a good idea.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by Itse

When a regime slaughters tens of thousands of its own citizens, it's not that hard to see the appeal of someone attacking that regime. The Iranian regime ARE scum, after all.

Its easy to rationalize something when you want it to be a good idea.

All 3 combatants are scum. I think most of the world outside the US, Israel and the Iranian regime would agree.


I'd almost say the US is the worst of the three. The supposed leader of the free world ####ing the rest of the world because the orange dotard and his cronies can't figure out that other people have agency. There's a reason why the US has never really engaged Iran in open combat before now. That reason is that anyone with a shred of intelligence would be able to see that they could shut down the strait. It's even easier now with the advances in drone technology. They just thought they'd kill the leaders and the religious fanatics in the regime would roll over and beg for mercy. The US government are full of idiots.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

For a while I thought "TDS" was magas describing their own deranged thinking/mental gymnastics for Trump. Then I learn it was instead them projecting that onto others. But in the end, it really is just them telling on themselves all the same.

It's also now the laziest 'out' from any debate or conversation. On about the same level of retort as "I know you are but what am I" that 7 year olds dropped on the playground.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

For a while I thought "TDS" was magas describing their own deranged thinking/mental gymnastics for Trump. Then I learn it was instead them projecting that onto others. But in the end, it really is just them telling on themselves all the same.

It's also now the laziest 'out' from any debate or conversation. On about the same level of retort as "I know you are but what am I" that 7 year olds dropped on the playground.

The fact that someone could believe that an actual syndrome could arise based around the feelings of a single human being is completely preposterous. There is literally no other illness like this. As soon as someone mentions Trump Derangement Syndrome, they’ve excluded themselves from critical thinking.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by LanceUppercut

All 3 combatants are scum. I think most of the world outside the US, Israel and the Iranian regime would agree.


I'd almost say the US is the worst of the three. The supposed leader of the free world ####ing the rest of the world because the orange dotard and his cronies can't figure out that other people have agency. There's a reason why the US has never really engaged Iran in open combat before now. That reason is that anyone with a shred of intelligence would be able to see that they could shut down the strait. It's even easier now with the advances in drone technology. They just thought they'd kill the leaders and the religious fanatics in the regime would roll over and beg for mercy. The US government are full of idiots.

You could make a case for any of the three being the worst.

Israel is an actively genocidal apartheid state, but at least they're relatively democratic, competent and have some care for their own people.

Iran is a terrorism supporting murderous oppressive incompetent theocracy, but right now they're just as much victims than oppressors, and they have little power over what's going on.

The US is a combination of an idiocracy, cleptocracy, and fascism, but at least it's not yet as bloodthirsty as the other two.

They are way more responsible of the whole situation than anyone else, due to having more (at least hypothetical) power than anyone else over the situation, so in that sense I would agree they're the worst.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Itse

The US is a combination of an idiocracy, cleptocracy, and fascism, but at least it's not yet as bloodthirsty as the other two.

They are way more responsible of the whole situation than anyone else, due to having more (at least hypothetical) power than anyone else over the situation, so in that sense I would agree they're the worst.

Kakistocracy is a system of government led by the worst, least qualified, or most unprincipled citizens.

[Doctorfever]

Sounds like the oil infrastructure on Kharg island weee not targeted. Only military targets.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Kakistocracy is a system of government led by the worst, least qualified, or most unprincipled citizens.

And they wear Kaki pants. Which is unforgivable.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Coach

The fact that someone could believe that an actual syndrome could arise based around the feelings of a single human being is completely preposterous. There is literally no other illness like this. As soon as someone mentions Trump Derangement Syndrome, they’ve excluded themselves from critical thinking.

20+ years ago they called it Bush Derangement Syndrome. It's not a new buzzphrase. Nothing original is going on.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Itse

When a regime slaughters tens of thousands of its own citizens, it's not that hard to see the appeal of someone attacking that regime. The Iranian regime ARE scum, after all.

Its easy to rationalize something when you want it to be a good idea.

Iran is not an enemy of my country. It is not a threat to my country.

America and Israel, on the other hand…

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Iran is not an enemy of my country. It is not a threat to my country.

America and Israel, on the other hand…

I would say Iran is an enemy to Canada. Iran has orchestrated terrorist plots against our NATO allies and other countries that are considered friendly to Canada. They also have no trouble contributing to the murder of Ukrainian civilians. The fact we haven't been on their radar is more fortuitous hapstance.

It's all about perspective, but I'd still rather be a neighbour of the U.S. as opposed to a neighbour of Iran, and I suspect most countries in the ME would feel the same. As ####ty as the U.S. has been to us lately, it's nothing compared to what Iran does. Look at the stuff ICE has been doing in America, then imagine that x10,000 in Iran. Or the various Iranian proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, #####e militias in Iraq, the former Iranian supported Assad regime, and several other Iranian supported militants in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. The U.S. has nothing like that operating on Canadian soil (at least not yet). But if you are a neighbouring country of Iran, you can pretty much count on it happening.

Iran is only limited by their resources, but not by their intent. We just feel the negative impacts from the U.S. more directly and it makes sense to worry about the small fires in our own back yard than the big fires half a planet away.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would say Iran is an enemy to Canada. Iran has orchestrated terrorist plots against our NATO allies and other countries that are considered friendly to Canada. They also have no trouble contributing to the murder of Ukrainian civilians. The fact we haven't been on their radar is more fortuitous hapstance.

It's all about perspective, but I'd still rather be a neighbour of the U.S. as opposed to a neighbour of Iran, and I suspect most countries in the ME would feel the same. As ####ty as the U.S. has been to us lately, it's nothing compared to what Iran does. Look at the stuff ICE has been doing in America, then imagine that x10,000 in Iran. Or the various Iranian proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, #####e militias in Iraq, the former Iranian supported Assad regime, and several other Iranian supported militants in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. The U.S. has nothing like that operating on Canadian soil (at least not yet). But if you are a neighbouring country of Iran, you can pretty much count on it happening.

Iran is only limited by their resources, but not by their intent. We just feel the negative impacts from the U.S. more directly and it makes sense to worry about the small fires in our own back yard than the big fires half a planet away.

I don't particularly like Iran's regime, or Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis but I also see the very existence of all of them as a direct result of the ####ty things we have been doing to them for the last 80 or so years, we kick the crap out of them, steal their land depose their elected leaders and help keep our chosen despotic murderous scumbags in charge of them and then whine like children when they quite reasonably don't much like us

[Language]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I don't particularly like Iran's regime, or Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis but I also see the very existence of all of them as a direct result of the ####ty things we have been doing to them for the last 80 or so years, we kick the crap out of them, steal their land depose their elected leaders and help keep our chosen despotic murderous scumbags in charge of them and then whine like children when they quite reasonably don't much like us

This is a ridiculous statement. It’s very odd seeing people in the western world throw ourselves under the bus, in some sort of attempt to explain or justify all the instability around the world.

Iran has a thousands year old history that predates the west by centuries. Persia originally went through an Arab conquest back in the 7th century and was gradually converted to Islam. Eventually Arab rule ended and the Persian dynasties took over. Then over a thousand years later the Iran revolution happened, transforming it into the Islamic Republic that it is today.

Lebanon went through a long civil war period in the 1970’s/1980’s, with initial instability actually caused by various Palestinian factions, coupled with Christian and Muslim militias.

The Houthis in Yemen are a direct result of the continued efforts of the Islamic Republic of Iran’s efforts to expand their Axis of terror and create additional proxies in the region.

Almost none of this has anything remotely to do with the west being the leading driver of instability, especially over the last 80 years.

In fact, if you want to bring Israel into the mix, look at which countries started all the wars that Israel eventually won.

Arab colonization has led to almost all of the instability in the region over the last thousands of years. Look at a map of North Africa pre and post Arab colonization. Sitting back and blaming all the regions woes on the west, is some sort of self suicidal guilt trip that is not based in reality.

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[Fuzz]

I'd laugh it that wasn't all so wrong. Gee, why did the Iranian revolution occur? No, it surly had nothing to do with western ####ups and meddling. None at all, thousands of years of history!

Look at Israel, the good guys who win all the wars other start. Like this current one! Wooo good guys! Clearly they aren't doing enough for your vision though, there seem top be a few million Palestinians they haven't completely exterminated yet, but with god on their side, I'm sure they'll win that one too.

"Arab colonization has led to almost all of the instability in the region over the last thousands of years." He boats, without a hint of irony of the creation if Israel, a violent colonization that has led uncountable deaths and wars.

Amazing how blindly people can claim things when they are so boldly on the side of endless unjust murder.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Language

This is a ridiculous statement. It’s very odd seeing people in the western world throw ourselves under the bus, in some sort of attempt to explain or justify all the instability around the world.

Iran has a thousands year old history that predates the west by centuries. Persia originally went through an Arab conquest back in the 7th century and was gradually converted to Islam. Eventually Arab rule ended and the Persian dynasties took over. Then over a thousand years later the Iran revolution happened, transforming it into the Islamic Republic that it is today.

Lebanon went through a long civil war period in the 1970’s/1980’s, with initial instability actually caused by various Palestinian factions, coupled with Christian and Muslim militias.

The Houthis in Yemen are a direct result of the continued efforts of the Islamic Republic of Iran’s efforts to expand their Axis of terror and create additional proxies in the region.

Almost none of this has anything remotely to do with the west being the leading driver of instability, especially over the last 80 years.

In fact, if you want to bring Israel into the mix, look at which countries started all the wars that Israel eventually won.

Arab colonization has led to almost all of the instability in the region over the last thousands of years. Look at a map of North Africa pre and post Arab colonization. Sitting back and blaming all the regions woes on the west, is some sort of self suicidal guilt trip that is not based in reality.

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Yeah dude, it’s totally weird to look at yourself in the mirror when trying to figure out why things are going the way they are. It’s always everyone else, so just don’t even worry about it or discuss it. Blissful ignorance is the way to be.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd laugh it that wasn't all so wrong. Gee, why did the Iranian revolution occur? No, it surly had nothing to do with western ####ups and meddling. None at all, thousands of years of history!

Look at Israel, the good guys who win all the wars other start. Like this current one! Wooo good guys! Clearly they aren't doing enough for your vision though, there seem top be a few million Palestinians they haven't completely exterminated yet, but with god on their side, I'm sure they'll win that one too.

"Arab colonization has led to almost all of the instability in the region over the last thousands of years." He boats, without a hint of irony of the creation if Israel, a violent colonization that has led uncountable deaths and wars.

Amazing how blindly people can claim things when they are so boldly on the side of endless unjust murder.

Re: the bolded bit

I don't think your suggesting that Israel shouldn't exist but it kinda reads that way. By the way, the same could potentially be said for the creation of Canada.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Re: the bolded bit

I don't think your suggesting that Israel shouldn't exist but it kinda reads that way. By the way, the same could potentially be said for the creation of Canada.

I don't think reflecting on history that the creation of Israel as was done in a way that was a catalyst for today's violence in the region, and perhaps there would be less of that if it hadn't occurred in the way it did is somehow wrong, is it?


The US is a more apt comparison, not the Canada was perfect or that it isn't debatable, but at least we sought peace and treaties, whereas the US sought destruction and conquering.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I don't think reflecting on history that the creation of Israel as was done in a way that was a catalyst for today's violence in the region, and perhaps there would be less of that if it hadn't occurred in the way it did is somehow wrong, is it?


The US is a more apt comparison, not the Canada was perfect or that it isn't debatable, but at least we sought peace and treaties, whereas the US sought destruction and conquering.

That's fair but your initial comment had much stronger language.

It's unimaginably hard (at least for me) to understand the complexity and difficulty with setting up any new state. In the (let's call it) Jewish colonization of modern Israel there was some violence in the establishment of the new state. Just as there was in Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. During the actual establishment of Israel, you could argue that the level of violence was lesser than what was experienced in the other nations I listed. Most of the violence in Israel and as a result of the forming of the country happened afterwards and most of it was initiated by neighbours who did not necessarily have good intentions. So, if we agree that setting up new countries is messy and bloody then the question, at least for me, is "does that country have a right to exist?" Or does any country have a right to exist if it's founded on bloodshed? If the answer is 'no' then there is probably no country in the world today that 'deserves' to exist.