10 dead, including suspect, in mass shooting in Tumbler Ridge, B.C.

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/akurjata.ca/post/3mfdb4swm722g


Holy ####.

[Titan2]

Imagine the lives of those that wanted to report and were overruled. How horrific. All the better reason to cancel my ChatGPT. (Totally not what this is about I know but is a relevant thread)

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Imagine the lives of those that wanted to report and were overruled. How horrific. All the better reason to cancel my ChatGPT. (Totally not what this is about I know but is a relevant thread)

If I had to pick, I'd rather be the person who wanted to report and got overruled than the person who did the overruling and has to live with that.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

If I had to pick, I'd rather be the person who wanted to report and got overruled than the person who did the overruling and has to live with that.

I understand, but that assumes they are moral people. But generally I think #### those people that saw a legitimate threat to public safety and insted of giving a heads up to the people that could intervene, they chose to do nothing for .... reasons? Mostly PR, I am going to assume.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Imagine the lives of those that wanted to report and were overruled. How horrific. All the better reason to cancel my ChatGPT. (Totally not what this is about I know but is a relevant thread)

Originally Posted by Titan2

I understand, but that assumes they are moral people. But generally I think #### those people that saw a legitimate threat to public safety and insted of giving a heads up to the people that could intervene, they chose to do nothing for .... reasons? Mostly PR, I am going to assume.

Considering the discussion from the last page about the mental health, the shooter known to police, known threats prior and the obvious known history this family had within the community, to go out and suddenly start blaming and shaming a corporation for not alerting concerning discussions with an AI chatbot after all this is asinine.

Nothing.

Would.

Have.

Happened.

A report would have been largely dismissed as someone with mental health issues having an episode as soon as the identity was revealed. Unless there was a very clear imminent threat with clear planning with evidence of a mass shooting embedded within that chat, police would simply not have acted. Fantasizing to kill people in scenarios is simply not enough. According to the spokesperson, there was not enough there to meet the criteria (credible and immediate serious risk)

For the same reasons why nothing happened despite severe mental health calls that were severe enough it caused gun confiscations but not enough for remediation. For the same reason the shooter was involved in ultra violent media. There were a huge amount of known warning signs way before the chatgpt angle even came in play.

And what opendoor said last page is fully correct.

Originally Posted by opendoor

The problem is you can't easily predict which people who struggle with mental health issues are going to be violent and which aren't, and you can't place strict conditions on everyone. Something like 20% of police interactions are with someone with a mental health disorder, which represents over 1 million Canadians each year.

And considering it's also known that the shooter also had a mass shooting in a mall Roblox game, and nothing was done as well, why is the onus solely on OpenAI here for indications of violent thoughts in an AI chat?

Sure in hindsight they should have reported it in the hopes it did anything, and the person who made the decision to overrule may have some remorse today and it would have been the prudent and responsible thing to do, but simply put, there is nothing here to believe that a report to police would have changed anything at all. We hear of this incident as it was revealed, but we don't hear of many others that do get reported behind the scenes.

There were plenty of reasons to enact preventative and protective measures already, we simply chose not to as a society. One more would not have changed the outcome.

OpenAI is an easy scapegoat considering all the other known transgressions and clear warning signs (so far). I highly doubt it would have changed anything "if only we had hold of those damn AI chats despite ignoring everything else that were huge red flags!".

Frankly I think we will soon learn a lot more that were much more flagrant and known without remediation.

[Firebot]

On a side note also revealed earlier today.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11677555/...igate-threats/

This development comes as RCMP say they are investigating online threats that have circulated online, forcing the cancellation of a funeral service for one of the victims of the shooting.

In an emailed statement, police confirmed they are aware of threats toward the family of one of the students ahead of a planned funeral service, and that safety measures have been implemented while they investigate.

“The RCMP is aware of threats that have circulated online and within the community and we can confirm that an investigation is under way,” Staff Sgt. Kris Clark with B.C. RCMP told Global News.

“A safety plan is in place for the individual(s) and community as the investigation continues.”

####ed up world

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Firebot

On a side note also revealed earlier today.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11677555/...igate-threats/



####ed up world

Not sure you have the correct link in your post.

But here is an article related there threats to victim’s families. Multiple families threatened.

https://vancouversun.com/news/tumble...tponed-threats

The family of Tumbler Ridge shooting victim Kylie Smith said they have postponed a celebration of life for their 12-year-old daughter after receiving threats to their safety by “a very dangerous person.”

Smith’s parents, Lance Younge and Jenny Geary, said in a Facebook post shared by the Tumbler Ridge Chamber of Commerce that they didn’t want to put the community in danger. They also said that they have moved to a safe location and added they aren’t the only victim’s family to receive threats.

[PepsiFree]

Maybe no families threatened.

RCMP say they have not been able to corroborate the “veracity” of multiple threats reported in Tumbler Ridge, B.C., in the wake of the recent mass shooting in the community.

In a statement Sunday, B.C. RCMP spokesperson Staff Sgt. Kris Clark said police became aware of threats circulating online and within the community.

He says police take all threats seriously, including these reports, but that investigators' assessment of the situation has determined that they haven't found evidence to verify those threats.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...orts-9.7102010

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe no families threatened.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...orts-9.7102010

Something strange going on. Why would the families of the victims make up stories?

[Wormius]

Perhaps the families didn’t directly receive any threats and were going by what somebody told them? If there were threats, why didn’t anyone take screenshots and post them?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Perhaps the families didn’t directly receive any threats and were going by what somebody told them? If there were threats, why didn’t anyone take screenshots and post them?

Victims families planning funerals for their children have enough on their plates.

I wouldn’t jump to blaming them for ‘not taking screen shots of threats and posting them online’.

That is a really dumb and unsympathetic take.

[Engine09]

Jesse Brown at Canadaland interviews Trent Ernst, the only reporter in Tumbler Ridge, BC:

https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/1...tumbler-ridge/

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Victims families planning funerals for their children have enough on their plates.

I wouldn’t jump to blaming them for ‘not taking screen shots of threats and posting them online’.

That is a really dumb and unsympathetic take.

Don’t play dumb. I didn’t say the families should take screenshots. Read the article. If there were really threats circulating online, I have no doubt somebody would have screen captured them and posted them everywhere.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Ha! Playing dumb…good one.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Don’t play dumb. I didn’t say the families should take screenshots. Read the article. If there were really threats circulating online, I have no doubt somebody would have screen captured them and posted them everywhere.

Who are you expecting should be taking screen shots and posting them online?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Who are you expecting should be taking screen shots and posting them online?

Literally anyone on Facebook or Twitter or Reddit or wherever they saw them. You don’t think people ever do that?

edit: You’re the one that seems confused about how nobody, including the RCMP, can find evidence of the threats. What do you think is a logical explanation then?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Literally anyone on Facebook or Twitter or Reddit or wherever they saw them. You don’t think people ever do that?

edit: You’re the one that seems confused about how nobody, including the RCMP, can find evidence of the threats. What do you think is a logical explanation then?

I think it’s logical to suggest that the families who get threatened, didn’t post the threats all over the internet. Maybe they showed the information to the RCMP and they are investigating.

I don’t know why the victim’s families would make these stories up. That’s what doesn’t make any sense.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I think it’s logical to suggest that the families who get threatened, didn’t post the threats all over the internet. Maybe they showed the information to the RCMP and they are investigating.

I don’t know why the victim’s families would make these stories up. That’s what doesn’t make any sense.

It also doesn't make any sense to threaten a grieving family (seriously who on earth would?), but sadly that seems more probable than fabrication.

But if the threats were "circulating online" then one would think there would be evidence somewhere.

[Firebot]

In totally completely unrelated totally coincidental news whatsoever the brother Jacob Van Rootselaar was arrested on a Canada wide warrant for a 2024 attempted murder case.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/art...-wide-warrant/

Clayton said in early February that he was not at the approved residence when police checked on him.

Early February as in Feb 10 early February? What was this 'approved residence'? But worse, someone charged with attempted murder with a prohibited weapon is released to begin with and only loosely checked on, and happened to be in a different province upon arrest? Really really odd timing.

Jacob has no contact recently with Jesse?

Still a wonder how Jesse got the weapons that were different from the ones registered in the household.

The details surroundings around this family and the shooting are being deliberately vague on so many fronts on police details.

[PepsiFree]

I imagine once the shooting happened they went and looked for Jacob and issued the warrant when he wasn’t at his residence. Very strange that he’d end up 8 hours away in another province.

This also makes the father’s statement feel somewhat questionable. Is he going to come out and disown, misgender, and misname another one of his kids now that they’re been caught?

Between this and the alleged threats that nobody seems to have evidence of, this whole thing is definitely weird.