Poll: How satisfied are you with the Flames' re-build so far?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SemicolonD

I feel like that would be a lot worse on this team though. Guy wasn't exactly a motivational leader, neither is Huberdeau, he'd probably be similarly invisible if he was still here and on cruise control.

The fact the Flames woulda had 2 boat anchors instead of 1 is crazy.

I fully agree with this take and that also doesn’t even factor in how the Lindholm deal has easily been Conroy’s best with Gridin and Brzustewicz now on the roster. Not having those young pieces and being stuck with Lindholm would be disastrous

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guess that definition makes sense linguistically. It may be bad news for some because it means it took TBL 11 years to win the cup after they started rebuilding. Or you might argue they rebuilt once starting in 2008, and then started over in 2013, and then it only took 6 years.

I think it takes that long. Nathan McKinnon was drafted in 2013 and that's won in 2022. You could make the argument that they bottomed out for a couple of years before then also before the RoR year which probably made their bottom last longer.

I can see a scenario where the flames are a middle of the road team by 2030. But a true contender 2032-2040 (somewhere in there). This is why there is such a draw to do a fast reset if you can roll back across.

The sharks...whose turnaround might be the prototypical rebuild (as opposed to a Dallas stars reload) have been bad since the 2019/20 season. They are 6 years in and just now becoming a wild card team.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I think it takes that long. Nathan McKinnon was drafted in 2013 and that's won in 2022. You could make the argument that they bottomed out for a couple of years before then also before the RoR year which probably made their bottom last longer.

I can see a scenario where the flames are a middle of the road team by 2030. But a true contender 2032-2040 (somewhere in there). This is why there is such a draw to do a fast reset if you can roll back across.

The sharks...whose turnaround might be the prototypical rebuild (as opposed to a Dallas stars reload) have been bad since the 2019/20 season. They are 6 years in and just now becoming a wild card team.

“After they started rebuilding”

San Jose didn’t start rebuilding until a few years after 2019-20.

Colorado had to “retool”/rebuild after the initial one, kept MacKinnon.

Rebuilds take shape pretty quickly, they’re just really volatile/luck based so the majority of teams have to rebuild two or three times in quick succession, drawing it out for years and years.

[blankall]

Was thinking about this a bit more. The Flames began their tank after a disastrous 2022/23 season. Considering that they started with a roster that was awful, Conroy has managed to squeeze out:


1st (from Vancouver)
1st (from Vegas)
1st (from Vegas)
2nd/1st (from Vegas)
2nd (from Washington)
2nd round pick (from Dallas)
3rd and 5th (from Vancouver)
3rd (from NJ)


Hunter Brzustewicz
Sharangovich
Whitecloud
Miromanov

And a bunch of other more minor stuff. Plus the Flames aren't done with talk swirling around Kadri, Coleman and Weegar.

Not a bad haul for a losing roster.

[simonsays]

I think it's about an 8. Or rather a 7.5 rounded up. Yeah, I thought there would be better return on some of our guys, but this is a slow and steady replacement of vets for picks. I also really like how many of our high picks are across different drafts. There's a lot of work to do in the actual rebuild side yet. But the tear down has been IMO a slightly disappointing 8.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by blankall

Was thinking about this a bit more. The Flames began their tank after a disastrous 2022/23 season. Considering that they started with a roster that was awful, Conroy has managed to squeeze out:


1st (from Vancouver)
1st (from Vegas)
1st (from Vegas)
2nd/1st (from Vegas)
2nd (from Washington)
2nd round pick (from Dallas)
3rd and 5th (from Vancouver)
3rd (from NJ)


Hunter Brzustewicz
Sharangovich
Whitecloud
Miromanov

And a bunch of other more minor stuff. Plus the Flames aren't done with talk swirling around Kadri, Coleman and Weegar.

Not a bad haul for a losing roster.

He also turned Pelletier and Kuzmenko into Frost and Farabee who both could eventually turn into additional picks or prospects for us

[Calgary4LIfe]

The rebuild started for me once Conroy was named GM. I bet as part of the interview process, he laid out what he felt was the best plan forward, and he has followed that plan. First upcoming UFA? Traded for a younger player and a pick. Just went on from there. "Oh you would like to re-sign? Yeah, just tell your agent what you want, and we will get back to you." There was no negotiations happening with Lindholm - as per Lindholm! Ditto with Zadorov. Their agents submitted their bids, and Conroy shopped them. On and on it went. Hanifin was the only player that negotiations went on with, but you can make a case for keeping him given his age.


I see Conroy as the driver for the rebuild, not the passenger.

[expatflame]

Originally Posted by Shazam

The 7% are putting Bingo's kids through college.

Mine was a misclick and should have selected 5. So 6

[1991 Canadian]

It is still early in the rebuild process, but the team is at least setting themselves up at the draft floor. I give it a 9. Plenty of good reasons for skepticism, but the team drafts well and has loaded up on picks/young players.

In terms of 5 year spans of drafts, the Flames 2024 to 2028 draft range is currently in terms of number of high draft picks in the salary cap era*. The Flames have drafted (or have the rights to) for 23 first, second and third round picks from 2024 to 2028. And with the likes of Coleman, Kadri, Weegar, Whitecloud, etc... there is the potential for more.

2017 to 2021 Detroit: 28 first, second and third round picks
2020 to 2024 Chicago: 28 first, second and third round picks
2020 to 2024 Anaheim : 24 first, second and third round picks

In the salary cap era, that's it. Those are the teams have had a higher volume of picks in the first 3 rounds over a 5 year span.

A year or two bottoming out to get that elite centre and the Flames will be in a very good position to come out of this rebuild.

*Would be 2nd if the Flames didn't trade a 1st for Monahans cap dump and a 2nd for Frost/Farabee. And yes, a 1st overall has a much different value than 90th overall, but I already wasted enough time in Excel.

[stemit14]

I went with a 6 but I think it could easily get to a 9 as early as the TDL if Conroy is aggressive in trading more players. I think a scenario where 3 more players are traded with 1st round picks (or recent 1st round pick prospects) coming back for each one would be a home run for this organization in so many ways. I’m hoping Kadri, Coleman and either Whitecloud or Weegar can each return a 1st round pick (or equivalent) before the TDL. It would open up opportunities for young players to take on bigger roles and likely solidifies a top pick in the next 2 drafts.

Would make for some ridiculous prospect depth and a steady pipeline of skilled young players pushing for spots. Top it off with one of McKenna or Stenberg this year and hopefully Joseph next year and the flames will be one of the most exciting young teams in the league going into their new barn in 2027-2028.

Without ranking the prospects/young players in any kind of order and mixing in the potential picks to come in the next two drafts:

Parekh
Gridin
Brz
Mews
Reschny
Potter
Wyttenbach
Stockselius
Suniev
Basha
Morin
2026 1st round pick (their own pick)
2026 1st round pick (from Vegas)
2027 1st round pick (their own pick)
2027 1st round pick (from Vegas)
202X 1st round pick (from Kadri trade)
202X 1st round pick (from Coleman trade)
202X 1st round pick (from Whitecloud/Weegar trade)

And I’m sure I’m forgetting some prospects that have intriguing upside in the organization. Would be a crazy couple of years. I know the team will not be good for the next few seasons in this scenario but I am more than ready to watch what the young players can do with more opportunities.

[Regorium]

Depends when we considered the rebuild to begin.

For me it was when Matthew Tkachuk was traded. Instead of flipping Huberdeau for picks, we gave him the worst contract of all time. That alone leaves the score less than a 5.

If we say the rebuild starts when we got rid of Treliving, then maybe a 6. About as good as can be done, but I'd have been more aggressively tanking the last few years.

[Roof-Daddy]

The Tkachuk trade was pretty much the definition of a retool trade.

The rebuild started when CC took over as GM and started trading vets for mostly picks and some prospects sprinkled in as well.

[1991 Canadian]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Depends when we considered the rebuild to begin.

For me it was when Matthew Tkachuk was traded. Instead of flipping Huberdeau for picks, we gave him the worst contract of all time. That alone leaves the score less than a 5.

If we say the rebuild starts when we got rid of Treliving, then maybe a 6. About as good as can be done, but I'd have been more aggressively tanking the last few years.

There is a frustrating "what if the Flames rebuilt right away in 2022" alternate universe to think about. Trading Huberdeau, Weegar and not trading Monahans cap hit for a 1st would've set the Flames up for a huge head start in a rebuild.

I just don't make marks against it because I don't think we will never see an NHL team rebuild immediately after a 111 point, 2nd round playoff, .922 starting goalie, majority of team still in their prime, etc.. type season.

Maybe teams will learn one day. Calgary lost their 115 point play driving winger in Gaudreau to free agency. The Leafs just had the same thing happen with Marner. You just don't replace this kind of production. Teams should be rebuilding when they lose such key players. Will they? Probably never.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

There is a frustrating "what if the Flames rebuilt right away in 2022" alternate universe to think about. Trading Huberdeau, Weegar and not trading Monahans cap hit for a 1st would've set the Flames up for a huge head start in a rebuild.

I just don't make marks against it because I don't think we will never see an NHL team rebuild immediately after a 111 point, 2nd round playoff, .922 starting goalie, majority of team still in their prime, etc.. type season.

Maybe teams will learn one day. Calgary lost their 115 point play driving winger in Gaudreau to free agency. The Leafs just had the same thing happen with Marner. You just don't replace this kind of production. Teams should be rebuilding when they lose such key players. Will they? Probably never.

I am just thankful that the other alternate universe wasn't Trelving and Sutter working things out, and rolling the dice at trying to compete for another few seasons.

[Calgary Highlander]

One thing I appreciate about Conroy is that he doesn't suffer from "smartest guy in the room" syndrome like Treliving, Feaster/Weisbrod, and Sutter.

He listens to other people on the management team, and his behavior as GM has been devoid of rash or emotional decision making that we saw from his predecessors.

Whether you agree or disagree, every roster move or trade seems fairly calculated.

[gvitaly]

I'm just going to place it here, not sure if it's thread worthy:

https://twitter.com/user/status/2018315969723236862

https://twitter.com/user/status/2018388761563083185

The fact that the Flames already have the #1 prospect pool according to some models is pretty awesome.

[activeStick]

The poll results really bring home what's often said about the minority often being the loudest and most vocal. Under 15% of the voters are disatisfied by the rebuild, but I can't imagine that's the % many would guess by reading the various threads. It would appear that it's really actually less than a handful of the total members, even though, damn it feels like way more to parse through in every thread.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'm just going to place it here, not sure if it's thread worthy:

https://twitter.com/user/status/2018315969723236862

https://twitter.com/user/status/2018388761563083185

The fact that the Flames already have the #1 prospect pool according to some models is pretty awesome.

Stockselius gettin no respect.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'm just going to place it here, not sure if it's thread worthy:

https://twitter.com/user/status/2018315969723236862

https://twitter.com/user/status/2018388761563083185

The fact that the Flames already have the #1 prospect pool according to some models is pretty awesome.

Also seems a little early to be writing off basha and battaglia.

[Brad Marsh]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The poll results really bring home what's often said about the minority often being the loudest and most vocal. Under 15% of the voters are disatisfied by the rebuild, but I can't imagine that's the % many would guess by reading the various threads. It would appear that it's really actually less than a handful of the total members, even though, damn it feels like way more to parse through in every thread.

It's also possible that those who voted in the 5-7 range (or even higher!) are still interested in discussing how things could be even better than they are, and/or expressing thoughts about moves that weren't as impressive/productive. There's still lots of room for constructive discussion regardless of how highly someone may have voted. If that's true, it's going to be difficult to correlate vote score with volume of commentary about elements of the rebuild that haven't worked or have been less than optimal, or that express a perspective on future steps that could/should be taken.