Abram Wiebe was sitting on the couch in his apartment Sunday afternoon when his phone rang.
It was Vegas Golden Knights director of player development Wil Nichol on the other line.
"He called me to let me know I was part of the Rasmus Andersson deal and I had been traded to the Calgary Flames," said Wiebe, who was drafted by Vegas in the seventh round in 2022. "Obviously, a shock at first. You don't expect that to happen. But obviously, super excited for the opportunity to be a part of a team that wanted me as part of that deal."
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Calgary will now hold Wiebe's NHL rights.
The Flames have likely seen quite a bit of Wiebe. UND has two Calgary Flames picks on its team already in first-rounder Cole Reschny and seventh-rounder Cade Littler.
Flames assistant general manager Brad Pascall also played at UND. Pascall's Walsh Hall roommate was UND head coach Dane Jackson.
Wiebe said he's looking forward to being a part of Calgary's prospect pipeline.
"Vegas is a team that's very dominant and always looking for players for a Cup run," Wiebe said. "I think going to a team like this, there's a lot more opportunity for me down the road. It's pretty cool a team traded for me. I think it shows they wanted me. Talking to the coaches and everything, they think it's a better spot for me. I think so, too. Obviously, I'm super excited for the opportunity and excited to start working with the coaches and the staff."
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No it's not "essentially" a 2nd round pick. It's a 1st, full stop.
We have historical data available from trades involving just draft picks that suggests the 28th overall pick is roughly equivalent to the the 40th, and 49th picks combined. That's the value of two middle round seconds in itself. You are then also completely ignoring the NHL player we acquired (and the value he holds), and the prospect that our amateur scouts targeted.
I said repeatedly that I like Whitecloud. I don't undervalue him. I'd be fine if they keep him to be honest, and I'll more than likely be more of a Whitecloud fan than I was an Andersson fan if he stays. No one knows much about the Wiebe.
So the 28th overall pick is as good as 40 and 49? Between 2010 and 2022, there are 2 players who can be considered top line players. Roope Hintz, and Ryan McLeod. Otherwise it's one 2nd pairing d man, a #6 d man, and 4th liners. Granted a guy like Kuznetsov could be better when it's all said and done, I like him so far.
Between 2010 and 2022 there is 1 top line forward drafted at 28, that's Ridly Grieg in Ottawa. Other than that the best forward drafted at 28 is Anthony Beauvillier, a 4th line player in Washington.
Charlie Coyle was drafted in 2010, and is the best player taken at 28 between 2010 and 2022 at this point.
So when I said it's essentially a 2nd round pick, it is. There are actually more decent players drafted at 40 and 49 than there are at 28 probably because teams are taking bigger chances with higher upside, a low risk, high reward situation, or following individual lists at that point.
There are of course examples of great late round 1 picks, it's just unlikely. I hope we draft a star late in the first.
All the people saying "a 1st rounder is a 1st rounder" are intentionally missing the point. There's no difference drafting 28th vs 33rd. I obviously understand that drafting late in the 1st is still the first, but it's not something to get excited about, and it's not a good return. I don't hate it, but it's not "good".
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You don't know that the Vegas pick will be 28th. All you know is that it will be no later than 32nd. It could be much earlier; it could even be in the top 16, as it was a few years ago when they had injury troubles and missed the playoffs. Such things can happen to any team. The pick that is 33rd at the moment cannot get any earlier and is very likely to get later.
There may be little difference between the 28th pick and the 33rd (obviously not none, as you suggest), but you also don't know whose pick will be 33rd until the end of the season. Furthermore, teams that are liable to finish dead last are not trading for rentals.
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I said repeatedly that I like Whitecloud. I don't undervalue him. I'd be fine if they keep him to be honest, and I'll more than likely be more of a Whitecloud fan than I was an Andersson fan if he stays. No one knows much about the Wiebe.
So the 28th overall pick is as good as 40 and 49? Between 2010 and 2022, there are 2 players who can be considered top line players. Roope Hintz, and Ryan McLeod. Otherwise it's one 2nd pairing d man, a #6 d man, and 4th liners. Granted a guy like Kuznetsov could be better when it's all said and done, I like him so far.
Between 2010 and 2022 there is 1 top line forward drafted at 28, that's Ridly Grieg in Ottawa. Other than that the best forward drafted at 28 is Anthony Beauvillier, a 4th line player in Washington.
Charlie Coyle was drafted in 2010, and is the best player taken at 28 between 2010 and 2022 at this point.
So when I said it's essentially a 2nd round pick, it is. There are actually more decent players drafted at 40 and 49 than there are at 28 probably because teams are taking bigger chances with higher upside, a low risk, high reward situation, or following individual lists at that point.
There are of course examples of great late round 1 picks, it's just unlikely. I hope we draft a star late in the first.
All the people saying "a 1st rounder is a 1st rounder" are intentionally missing the point. There's no difference drafting 28th vs 33rd. I obviously understand that drafting late in the 1st is still the first, but it's not something to get excited about, and it's not a good return. I don't hate it, but it's not "good".
I think you are the one missing the point.
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I said repeatedly that I like Whitecloud. I don't undervalue him. I'd be fine if they keep him to be honest, and I'll more than likely be more of a Whitecloud fan than I was an Andersson fan if he stays. No one knows much about the Wiebe.
So the 28th overall pick is as good as 40 and 49? Between 2010 and 2022, there are 2 players who can be considered top line players. Roope Hintz, and Ryan McLeod. Otherwise it's one 2nd pairing d man, a #6 d man, and 4th liners. Granted a guy like Kuznetsov could be better when it's all said and done, I like him so far.
Between 2010 and 2022 there is 1 top line forward drafted at 28, that's Ridly Grieg in Ottawa. Other than that the best forward drafted at 28 is Anthony Beauvillier, a 4th line player in Washington.
Charlie Coyle was drafted in 2010, and is the best player taken at 28 between 2010 and 2022 at this point.
So when I said it's essentially a 2nd round pick, it is. There are actually more decent players drafted at 40 and 49 than there are at 28 probably because teams are taking bigger chances with higher upside, a low risk, high reward situation, or following individual lists at that point.
There are of course examples of great late round 1 picks, it's just unlikely. I hope we draft a star late in the first.
All the people saying "a 1st rounder is a 1st rounder" are intentionally missing the point. There's no difference drafting 28th vs 33rd. I obviously understand that drafting late in the 1st is still the first, but it's not something to get excited about, and it's not a good return. I don't hate it, but it's not "good".
What’s missing the point is that you are almost never getting enter than a pick in the 25-32 range in these situations, because all the buying teams are contenders. So unless they’ve misjudged their chances they will pick late in the first.
You don't know that the Vegas pick will be 28th. All you know is that it will be no later than 32nd. It could be much earlier; it could even be in the top 16, as it was a few years ago when they had injury troubles and missed the playoffs. Such things can happen to any team. The pick that is 33rd at the moment cannot get any earlier and is very likely to get later.
There may be little difference between the 28th pick and the 33rd (obviously not none, as you suggest), but you also don't know whose pick will be 33rd until the end of the season. Furthermore, teams that are liable to finish dead last are not trading for rentals.
The difference between 28th and 33 is so small it's nothing. Outside of Charlie Coyle, it's a bunch of bottom line players. You have Barbashev at 33 and Grieg at 28.
You're correct, if Vegas has a bad season, then it's much better. I'm betting on that being unlikely, but it is always a possibility. Let's hope that happens.
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What’s missing the point is that you are almost never getting enter than a pick in the 25-32 range in these situations, because all the buying teams are contenders. So unless they’ve misjudged their chances they will pick late in the first.
I haven't missed that point. So we got a break even return, which is exactly what I've been saying. A good return would exceed what's expected don't you think? Someone's missing the point but it isn't me.
If my car is valued at 50k and I trade it in for 50k, that's not a "good" return, I'm getting what's expected. My wife recently bought a truck for 65k and traded it in 6 months later for 68k. That's a good return.
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I said repeatedly that I like Whitecloud. I don't undervalue him. I'd be fine if they keep him to be honest, and I'll more than likely be more of a Whitecloud fan than I was an Andersson fan if he stays. No one knows much about the Wiebe.
So the 28th overall pick is as good as 40 and 49? Between 2010 and 2022, there are 2 players who can be considered top line players. Roope Hintz, and Ryan McLeod. Otherwise it's one 2nd pairing d man, a #6 d man, and 4th liners. Granted a guy like Kuznetsov could be better when it's all said and done, I like him so far.
Between 2010 and 2022 there is 1 top line forward drafted at 28, that's Ridly Grieg in Ottawa. Other than that the best forward drafted at 28 is Anthony Beauvillier, a 4th line player in Washington.
Charlie Coyle was drafted in 2010, and is the best player taken at 28 between 2010 and 2022 at this point.
So when I said it's essentially a 2nd round pick, it is. There are actually more decent players drafted at 40 and 49 than there are at 28 probably because teams are taking bigger chances with higher upside, a low risk, high reward situation, or following individual lists at that point.
There are of course examples of great late round 1 picks, it's just unlikely. I hope we draft a star late in the first.
All the people saying "a 1st rounder is a 1st rounder" are intentionally missing the point. There's no difference drafting 28th vs 33rd. I obviously understand that drafting late in the 1st is still the first, but it's not something to get excited about, and it's not a good return. I don't hate it, but it's not "good".
At what point in the first round does the NHL proclaim the selected player is a second round pick. If you are drafted in the first round. You are a first round pick, reguardless if you make it or not.
The difference between 28th and 33 is so small it's nothing. Outside of Charlie Coyle, it's a bunch of bottom line players. You have Barbashev at 33 and Grieg at 28.
Good to know that Cullen Potter (drafted 32nd) will never be anything more than a bottom-line player. Why didn't the Flames ask for your opinion before they drafted the bum?
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The difference between 28th and 33 is so small it's nothing. Outside of Charlie Coyle, it's a bunch of bottom line players. You have Barbashev at 33 and Grieg at 28.
In Coyle's year alone, Brock Nelson went 30th overall.
Rickard Rakell went 30th overall
Brady Skjei was 28th
Adrian Kempe 29th
In Coyle's year alone, Brock Nelson went 30th overall.
Rickard Rakell went 30th overall
Brady Skjei was 28th
Adrian Kempe 29th
Apparently players drafted between 28 and 33 don't count. AFireInside has been to the future and knows the Vegas pick in '27 will be exactly 28th, so all other comparisons are invalid.
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It was called to my attention today that Gridin was drafted 28th overall. What a pity. I thought he looked like more than a fourth-liner. Guess I was wrong!
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‘You see in Calgary, [Ryan] Huska is no joke. It’s good. He’s really set on a specific model defensively. If you can be reliable, you have the freedom to play offence.’
—Ethan Wyttenbach
I said repeatedly that I like Whitecloud. I don't undervalue him. I'd be fine if they keep him to be honest, and I'll more than likely be more of a Whitecloud fan than I was an Andersson fan if he stays. No one knows much about the Wiebe.
So the 28th overall pick is as good as 40 and 49? Between 2010 and 2022, there are 2 players who can be considered top line players. Roope Hintz, and Ryan McLeod. Otherwise it's one 2nd pairing d man, a #6 d man, and 4th liners. Granted a guy like Kuznetsov could be better when it's all said and done, I like him so far.
Between 2010 and 2022 there is 1 top line forward drafted at 28, that's Ridly Grieg in Ottawa. Other than that the best forward drafted at 28 is Anthony Beauvillier, a 4th line player in Washington.
Charlie Coyle was drafted in 2010, and is the best player taken at 28 between 2010 and 2022 at this point.
So when I said it's essentially a 2nd round pick, it is. There are actually more decent players drafted at 40 and 49 than there are at 28 probably because teams are taking bigger chances with higher upside, a low risk, high reward situation, or following individual lists at that point.
There are of course examples of great late round 1 picks, it's just unlikely. I hope we draft a star late in the first.
All the people saying "a 1st rounder is a 1st rounder" are intentionally missing the point. There's no difference drafting 28th vs 33rd. I obviously understand that drafting late in the 1st is still the first, but it's not something to get excited about, and it's not a good return. I don't hate it, but it's not "good".
So any pick after 25 in the first round, you would gladly trade for a second.
Sure glad you aren’t our manager. Thought there was only one Jim Benning
The difference between 28th and 33 is so small it's nothing. Outside of Charlie Coyle, it's a bunch of bottom line players. You have Barbashev at 33 and Grieg at 28.
You're correct, if Vegas has a bad season, then it's much better. I'm betting on that being unlikely, but it is always a possibility. Let's hope that happens.
I haven't missed that point. So we got a break even return, which is exactly what I've been saying. A good return would exceed what's expected don't you think? Someone's missing the point but it isn't me.
If my car is valued at 50k and I trade it in for 50k, that's not a "good" return, I'm getting what's expected. My wife recently bought a truck for 65k and traded it in 6 months later for 68k. That's a good return.
I would say that getting more for a car than you paid for it six months previously is a great return. It’s like trading a second round pick for a late first straight up.
By this definition, there’s no such thing as a trade that’s good for both teams, it has to be a steal to be good.
So when I said it's essentially a 2nd round pick, it is. There are actually more decent players drafted at 40 and 49 than there are at 28 probably because teams are taking bigger chances with higher upside, a low risk, high reward situation, or following individual lists at that point.
I don't see those as 2nd Rounders, they're very late 1st Rounders, essentially.
So when I said it's essentially a 2nd round pick, it is. There are actually more decent players drafted at 40 and 49 than there are at 28 probably because teams are taking bigger chances with higher upside, a low risk, high reward situation, or following individual lists at that point.
No. It is a simple statistical anomaly, which is not uncommon with small sample sizes. 40 and 49 and not better picks than 28.
Just stop.
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