Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

A shocking private report from Alberta doctors details six recent deaths under appalling conditions in emergency departments.

One involved a man in his 50s who waited seven hours in the ED, left, called EMS the next day, but died of organ failure due to acute strep infection.

”This is a tragic case where the patient would likely still be alive had he been seen more urgently at his first presentation,” says the report by Dr. Paul Parks, who compiled cases from doctors across the province.

In another case, a woman waited eight hours before being seen for a bowel obstruction and perforation. She finally got surgery but died in the intensive care unit.

Prompt treatment probably would have saved her, the report says, but “there was already an eight-hour wait when the shift began.

“There was never a chance to get to this patient because so many other acute patients kept bumping her from getting the next available care space in the ED.”

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...deaths-alberta

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[Locke]

Originally Posted by Knut

I talked to someone that signed it because "it is time for a change" but he did not know what he actually wanted for the change.

This is not logical reasoning.

One shouldnt change simply for change's own sake from the status quo to 'whatever' just because its different!

There is no rational thought applied to that. "This is different...maybe it'll be better!"

No. No!

Those kinds of people need to be ruthlessly beaten to death with whiffle-ball bats. It would take an agonizingly long time giving them the opportunity to reflect upon their woefully poor decision making skillz.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

It is if you consider late stage quality of life a reasonable parallel to getting long-term value out of a commodity that will eventually have little / no value.

You're not going to have the same quality of life now and in your 70s in the same way oil isn't going to be nearly as profitable in 25-30 years as it is right now, but you what you do now stands to improve your situation later over not doing it at all.

Except when you die you die.

The country actually has to keep going.

[TorqueDog]

You're misunderstanding the things I'm comparing in the similie.
On a long enough timeline, all life ends. Presumably on a long enough timeline, the value of this specific commodity will drop to NIL (its profitable "life" will end).

So if you want to get the most out of it before it does, you should act to capitalize on it sooner rather than later. If you want to think about the country living on, that could be compared to one's family. You may very well set up your surviving family to do better in the future by taking care of yourself early on.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

There is a real risk of foreign interference in the Alberta independence initiative launched by the Alberta Prosperity Project. Counsel for Sturgeon Lake First Nation has commissioned an expert opinion from Wes Wark to document this risk.

Thread here:
https://bsky.app/profile/nigelb.bsky.../3mcniygw4bk2y

I think that is actually annoying me right now, is that while the recall campaigns may not succeed they will likely get 10x the signatures of the separatists, hell the loyalists likely got 40x the signatures that the separatists are realistically likely to get, but I do think the media over reporting this will play a role and maybe give them more support than they otherwise should have gotten.

There's real news happening, people are dying, Doctors and Lawyers are quiting on principalled grounds over their policies.

They need to stop giving these idiots free media, if anything every single story about them should be prefaced with how it will be virtually impossible for them to approach the amount of support the loyalists recieved, or they should preface the story with the fact that there was already a petition that affirmed Albertas loyalty to Canada and Danielle Smith actively lied about the nature and the intent of the petition.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

You're misunderstanding the things I'm comparing in the similie.
On a long enough timeline, all life ends. Presumably on a long enough timeline, the value of this specific commodity will drop to NIL (its profitable "life" will end).

So if you want to get the most out of it before it does, you should act to capitalize on it sooner rather than later. If you want to think about the country living on, that could be compared to one's family. You may very well set up your surviving family to do better in the future by taking care of yourself early on.

Then it’s not a good comparison.

[Fuzz]

Alberta has a nice new health system dashboard where you can get a good idea of how long you will need to suffer should you require services.


And just to refute all the losers who have zero to say except nothing can be done and it's just as bad in the rest of Canada, so decades of Conservative failures aren't to blame, they also have some graphs to compare to the RoC.



Link

[Harry Lime]

What Torque is saying is the tact that the states used, starting under Obama. They argued for climate change initiatives but amped up fossil fuel development as quickly as they could, with the plan of phasing out when demand faltered later in the century.

Canada said all of the right things, as well, but started amping down immediately, with Trudeau s "straws against humanity" initiatives.

Beyond the economic benefits, getting a line to Manitoba or new Brunswick would go a long way to supporting stability in Europe. Smiths mad frenzy to build out to BC is more than a little irritating because it feels a lot like she is acting as though an independent nation of Alberta would need to focus primarily on Asian markets, and Europe is an unnecessary burden. I don't know why she would act that way. Weird.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think that is actually annoying me right now, is that while the recall campaigns may not succeed they will likely get 10x the signatures of the separatists, hell the loyalists likely got 40x the signatures that the separatists are realistically likely to get, but I do think the media over reporting this will play a role and maybe give them more support than they otherwise should have gotten.

There's real news happening, people are dying, Doctors and Lawyers are quiting on principalled grounds over their policies.

They need to stop giving these idiots free media, if anything every single story about them should be prefaced with how it will be virtually impossible for them to approach the amount of support the loyalists recieved, or they should preface the story with the fact that there was already a petition that affirmed Albertas loyalty to Canada and Danielle Smith actively lied about the nature and the intent of the petition.

That's a big part of the punchline though. It isn't "free media" - Conservatives paid a lot of money to buy up corporate media so that they could make these decisions as to how the public is informed / misinformed. Pretty much every printed news and their respective websites are built to tilt the conversation in their favour.

What is really concerning is that it feels like nothing is being done to counter it. Why hasn't the Liberals busted up Postmedia? Or forced Canadian ownership as a part of the American trade conflict? If they did it nation-wide then it wouldn't look like they are specifically trying to fix this problem in Alberta.

How do we give a bigger voice to media that is not captured by these corporations / Conservative interests? The Sprawl, the Breach, and even the Tyee in BC are all independent media that are trying to bring honest journalism to us but they all get labeled as being "extreme left" instead of "highly credible".

Conservative media is now so wrapped up in the cult of opinions that factual reporting and credibility is now an extreme that people need to guard against because Postmedia said so.

It is also problematic because when there is a story that does not require political spin, Postmedia will just report it as it is to maintain credibility for when they do need to spin hard to help the UCP.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That's a big part of the punchline though. It isn't "free media" - Conservatives paid a lot of money to buy up corporate media so that they could make these decisions as to how the public is informed / misinformed. Pretty much every printed news and their respective websites are built to tilt the conversation in their favour.

What is really concerning is that it feels like nothing is being done to counter it. Why hasn't the Liberals busted up Postmedia? Or forced Canadian ownership as a part of the American trade conflict? If they did it nation-wide then it wouldn't look like they are specifically trying to fix this problem in Alberta.

How do we give a bigger voice to media that is not captured by these corporations / Conservative interests? The Sprawl, the Breach, and even the Tyee in BC are all independent media that are trying to bring honest journalism to us but they all get labeled as being "extreme left" instead of "highly credible".

Conservative media is now so wrapped up in the cult of opinions that factual reporting and credibility is now an extreme that people need to guard against because Postmedia said so.

It is also problematic because when there is a story that does not require political spin, Postmedia will just report it as it is to maintain credibility for when they do need to spin hard to help the UCP.

I will say I know the reaction you'll get from Conservatives, but CBC Front Burner has been doing a really good job of reporting the story without accepting and stating the false premise of the conservatives.

They tend to report on this stuff and immediately state that it is unlikely to succeed due to limited polling support and the unprecedented support for unity shown in an earlier petition.

It's a far cry, from look at their staged and massive line up, without even qualifying that it was only about 500 people in that video.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

What Torque is saying is the tact that the states used, starting under Obama. They argued for climate change initiatives but amped up fossil fuel development as quickly as they could, with the plan of phasing out when demand faltered later in the century.

Canada said all of the right things, as well, but started amping down immediately, with Trudeau s "straws against humanity" initiatives.

Bingo.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Then it’s not a good comparison.

You're so good at focusing on the important stuff.

The only thing that matters is this simple question: if we spend $20B on a pipe, does it still make money in a bunch of realistic futures, or only in the rosiest one?

To answer that, we need to consider a few believable scenarios: oil stays strong, oil softens, policy tightens, policy really tightens, oil demand grows, oil demand flattens. In each scenario, do we move enough product for long enough to pay off the build, cover the costs, and still come out ahead? What's the likelihood of each scenario (or a combination of the scenarios) coming to fruition, and is the juice worth the squeeze?

As Harry points out, the US opted to maximize output while it made economic sense, while also looking at future climate initiatives. During the same period, we failed to effectively leverage our energy industry's potential. Has Canada missed its window?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Bingo.


You're so good at focusing on the important stuff.

The only thing that matters is this simple question: if we spend $20B on a pipe, does it still make money in a bunch of realistic futures, or only in the rosiest one?

To answer that, we need to consider a few believable scenarios: oil stays strong, oil softens, policy tightens, policy really tightens, oil demand grows, oil demand flattens. In each scenario, do we move enough product for long enough to pay off the build, cover the costs, and still come out ahead? What's the likelihood of each scenario (or a combination of the scenarios) coming to fruition, and is the juice worth the squeeze?

As Harry points out, the US opted to maximize output while it made economic sense, while also looking at future climate initiatives. During the same period, we failed to effectively leverage our energy industry's potential. Has Canada missed its window?

No

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Bingo.


You're so good at focusing on the important stuff.

The only thing that matters is this simple question: if we spend $20B on a pipe, does it still make money in a bunch of realistic futures, or only in the rosiest one?

To answer that, we need to consider a few believable scenarios: oil stays strong, oil softens, policy tightens, policy really tightens, oil demand grows, oil demand flattens. In each scenario, do we move enough product for long enough to pay off the build, cover the costs, and still come out ahead? What's the likelihood of each scenario (or a combination of the scenarios) coming to fruition, and is the juice worth the squeeze?

As Harry points out, the US opted to maximize output while it made economic sense, while also looking at future climate initiatives. During the same period, we failed to effectively leverage our energy industry's potential. Has Canada missed its window?

I think Canada is well positioned to produce the last barrel of oil. Low ongoing capex, existing infrastructure, and long reserve indexes at existing facilities. So the pipeline question comes down to is there growths projects that would get built today to fill that pipeline. If the answer is yes then building the line makes sense.

So it doesn’t really matter what happens with oil demand in the future, what matters is what people believe will happen to oil demand. If there are investment dollars available today to expand capacity to fill a new pipeline then building the pipeline makes sense regardless of the future scenarios. Once these lines are full they will stay full in a 50 million barrel oil demand world.

[puffnstuff]

The seperatists are posting signing locations.
Monday, January 26, 2026
NEW VENUE!

11:00 AM - Signing Starts
07:00 PM - Speakers

Calgary Let's Talk - Freedom & Prosperity Through Independence

THE BIG FOUR BUILDING
1801 Big Four Trail SE, Calgary, AB

This had been advertised for the BMO Center origianlly but has been moved.

Gotta wonder why the Stampede is hosting seperatists. The Stampede is a weird mix of public, private, and non-profit that gets money from the City, the Province and the Federal govt.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Alberta has a nice new health system dashboard where you can get a good idea of how long you will need to suffer should you require services.


And just to refute all the losers who have zero to say except nothing can be done and it's just as bad in the rest of Canada, so decades of Conservative failures aren't to blame, they also have some graphs to compare to the RoC.



Link

b b b but it's a problem all over Canada! And it should be pretty obvious why Alberta struggles the most given we have the youngest population and highest incomes!

This healthcare thing is just a distraction. Did you know that Nenshi was mayor of Calgary starting 6 years after a major watermain break and his term ended 3 years before another watermain break?

[#-3]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

The seperatists are posting signing locations.
Monday, January 26, 2026
NEW VENUE!

11:00 AM - Signing Starts
07:00 PM - Speakers

Calgary Let's Talk - Freedom & Prosperity Through Independence

THE BIG FOUR BUILDING
1801 Big Four Trail SE, Calgary, AB

This had been advertised for the BMO Center origianlly but has been moved.

Gotta wonder why the Stampede is hosting seperatists. The Stampede is a weird mix of public, private, and non-profit that gets money from the City, the Province and the Federal govt.

Deep down inside I think it would be funny to see 700 people show up, clog up the lines, slow things down and not sign anyways, acting really stupid. But I think it would make things worse, and giving these people the attention they so deeply desire and don't deserve.

[malcolmk14]

If this separation bull#### somehow gains steam or legitimacy I am going to be pissed right off.

[Engine09]

I only know 2 separatists, through work. One of them actually had a Trump pic on their computer as wallpaper, loves Danielle Smith and spouts off about conspiracies. These are not bright people.

[Locke]

I gotta say...I am astounded at how many separatists I know, its like they're crawling out from the woodwork.

Guys...this is bad. This is a bad idea. None of this makes any sense.

Have I mentioned that this is a bad idea? Because it is. Its bad.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

I gotta say...I am astounded at how many separatists I know, its like they're crawling out from the woodwork.

Guys...this is bad. This is a bad idea. None of this makes any sense.

Have I mentioned that this is a bad idea? Because it is. Its bad.

This is the end result of allowing media and politicians to lie to stupid people for decades. Eventually they believe those lies, because they are dumb. And then they make the liar a premiere, and here we are. It's almost like we should have some rules around that.