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[bluejays]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Didn't sound like an indian accent to me. Just sounded like he was emphasizing his name.

It didn't sound like an Indian accent to me either. He was actually just poking fun at the importance CNN puts on his name and credentials.

As for his argument, I'd tend to agree. CNN along with the other major news networks are extremely selective in their reporting of the news, and are very right wing. If you read between the lines in what Moore is saying, he's right. I actually thought his outburst was warrented...Wolfe would have just guided him in another direction and he stood up against the network sculpting a message in a way that suits their needs. I enjoyed every second of this to be honest.

[mykalberta]

I dont like MM or his politics but I will give him this.

He has done more good than bad in all his movies and allowing everyone to watch Sicko for free is well, just nice. Thanks.

MYK

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/233001

It looks like Moore reimbursed the Alberta nurses union for their tickets and is now letting all Canadian nurses see it for free.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070713/...Wx44zSb3QE1vAI

[flames_1987]

The worst thing MM's movies do is make people think and stimulates discussions on the topic at hand, whether you agree or disagree.

He's really done a lot of good work in re: to Sicko and he really doesen't talk much the whole movie, he lets the facts and the people do the talking.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

The worst thing MM's movies do is make people think and stimulates discussions on the topic at hand, whether you agree or disagree.

He's really done a lot of good work in re: to Sicko and he really doesen't talk much the whole movie, he lets the facts and the people do the talking.

that's what i noticed most. in his previous movies he came off like a pompous ass, always in front of the camera and harassing people trying to get his view across. this time he just sits back and lets things unfold

i also find it funny how one of the main critical points against the movie is Moore showing them going to Cuba in a boat but in reality they traveled by plane. they seem to forget that Moore specifically states right in the movie that they can't show the actual trip to Cuba for legal reasons and the whole boatride thing was just for show

[Devils'Advocate]

See, that's a very stupid condemnation of the film.... but something people latch onto. Is going by boat vs plane of any importance whatsoever to the centeral theme of the movie?

ANYHOW, I went to see the film last night and I thought it was very, very well done. Of course there are bad exaggerations (they went to London Ontario to ask people how long they had to wait in emergency to see a doctor and people were saying 20 minutes, 45 minutes, etc.... which, as we know, is ludicrous). But still he makes an absolutely compelling argument that for-profit health care is fundamentally unsound.

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by fleury

As for his argument, I'd tend to agree. CNN along with the other major news networks are extremely selective in their reporting of the news, and are very right wing. If you read between the lines in what Moore is saying, he's right. I actually thought his outburst was warrented...Wolfe would have just guided him in another direction and he stood up against the network sculpting a message in a way that suits their needs. I enjoyed every second of this to be honest.

And Michael Moore isn't extremely selective of the facts he puts in his films? Oh the irony. He came off as paranoid IMO.

And since when is CNN et al right wing?

I guess if you get your news from Pravda it is.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

And Michael Moore isn't extremely selective of the facts he puts in his films? Oh the irony. He came off as paranoid IMO.

And since when is CNN et al right wing?

I guess if you get your news from Pravda it is.

Since they got on the Bush bandwagon and were all gung ho to invade Iraq thus becoming another tool for war. If I knew better with my limited resources and interest, they knew better.They knew Saddam didn't have WMD or was involved in 9/11, but hey, war is good for ratings.

[Flash Walken]

It's less about being 'right' vs. 'left' wing, and more about maintaining the status quo.

That's why it costs over $100 000 to get on the ticket as an independent in florida, and the same reasons ralph nader was excluded from debates (and discussion in general) until AFTER the election, when he was blamed for losing the election for Gore.

Established by the two major parties in 1987 with the publicly stated intent of excluding competition to the two parties, the Commission cited its "Nonpartisan Candidate Selection Criteria" in announcing its decision. But the Commission, run by the former chairs of the national Republican and Democratic parties who founded the group, contains no representatives of third parties or independent voters. That's why the Commission was able to establish an arbitrary 15 percent poll-support barrier against third-party candidates just a year after Jesse Ventura brought 10 percent poll support into the Minnesota gubernatorial debates, and ended up winning the election with 37 percent of the vote.

The Commission went forward with its exclusion in the face of growing calls for broader debates from editorial pages, columnists and political figures across the political spectrum (Mario Cuomo, John B. Anderson, Jesse Ventura, Oliver North, etc.). It ignored a Zogby poll (released Sept. 13) indicating that roughly 60 percent of the American people want Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan included in the debates.

"Through the Internet and other sources, many Americans have educated themselves about the illegitimacy of this Commission, which took control of the debates from the genuinely nonpartisan League of Women Voters," commented FAIR's director Jeff Cohen. "The Commission is bent on debates that limit ideas, viewpoints and ultimately viewers, especially young and disaffected voters. The Commission and the two parties that set it up seem happy with a political process aimed at shrinking numbers of voters."

The 1992 presidential debates that included Ross Perot (with 7-9 percent poll support, he would have been excluded under today's threshold) had record-breaking TV viewership, and the audience grew with each successive debate. Voter turnout in November went up in 1992, reversing a 20-year decline. With Perot excluded by the Commission in 1996, viewership nose-dived, as did voter turnout.

The major party-dominated Commission on Presidential Debates is funded by corporations such as AT&T and Anhueser-Busch that give major soft money donations to those two parties. The Commission seems unwilling to adapt to the present-day reality of rising numbers of independent voters and declining major-party affiliation.

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[Flash Walken]

Apparently, Michael Moore has been responding all week on his website to the CNN story presented by Gupta. Today, he published this.

That’s why I was so stunned when you let a doctor who knows a lot about brain surgery — but apparently very little about public policy — do a “fact check” story, not on the medical issues in “Sicko,” but rather on the economic and political information in the film. Is this why there has been a delay in your apology, because you are trying to get a DOCTOR to say he was wrong? Please tell him not to worry, no one is filing a malpractice claim against him. Dr. Gupta does excellent and compassionate stories on CNN about people’s health and how we can take better care of ourselves. But when it came time to discuss universal health care, he rushed together a bunch of sloppy — and old — research. When his producer called us about his report the day before it aired, we sent to her, in an email, all the evidence so that he wouldn’t make any mistakes on air. He chose to ignore ALL the evidence, and ran with all his falsehoods — even though he had been given the facts a full day before! How could that happen? And now, for 5 days, I have posted on my website, for all to see, every mistake and error he made.

You, on the other hand, in the face of this overwhelming evidence and a huge public backlash, have chosen to remain silent, probably praying and hoping this will all go away.

Well it isn’t. We are now going to start looking into the veracity of other reports you have aired on other topics. Nothing you say now can be believed. In 2002, the New York Times busted you for bringing celebrities on your shows and not telling your viewers they were paid spokespeople for the pharmaceutical companies. You promised never to do it again. But there you were, in 2005, talking to Joe Theismann, on air, as he pushed some drug company-sponsored website on prostate health. You said nothing about about his affiliation with GlaxoSmithKline.

Clearly, no one is keeping you honest, so I guess I’m going to have to do that job, too. $1.5 billion is spent each year by the drug companies on ads on CNN and the other four networks. I’m sure that has nothing to do with any of this. After all, if someone gave me $1.5 billion, I have to admit, I might say a kind word or two about them. Who wouldn’t?!

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

See, that's a very stupid condemnation of the film.... but something people latch onto. Is going by boat vs plane of any importance whatsoever to the centeral theme of the movie?

I'd think that the boat scene was done solely for symbolic purposes.

[ricosuave]

http://clipswtf.com/4096/Michael_Moo...nny_video.html

apologies if it is a fata

[Flash Walken]

It is a fata, but I'm not goign to search for the thread.

But I know it's a fata.

[ricosuave]

sorry - i did a search for moore and didnt see anything...

mods can lock up

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Apparently, Michael Moore has been responding all week on his website to the CNN story presented by Gupta. Today, he published this.

Apparently this thread missed CNN's very unusual, very lengthy and very pointed rebuttal of Moore's claims.

In the interests of fairness, that rebuttal is at the link below:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/...pta/index.html

Cowperson

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Apparently this thread missed CNN's very unusual, very lengthy and very pointed rebuttal of Moore's claims.

In the interests of fairness, that rebuttal is at the link below:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/...pta/index.html

Cowperson

good catch.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

And Michael Moore isn't extremely selective of the facts he puts in his films? Oh the irony. He came off as paranoid IMO.

Where's the irony?

Moore is a film maker, not a national news station. He shouldn't be held to the same standard of reporting without bias.
The news has much less right to be selective than an independent film maker.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

And since when is CNN et al right wing?

CNN actually was the original "rightwing" source in the media. Turner wanted an outlet that appealed to the business folk and the young upwardly mobile set that wanted news all the time and in short concise stories. Only the birth of FauxNews saw CNN shift back to the center so to speak. The "leftwing" media has always been an urban legend, repeated enough that people think it actuay exists.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

CNN actually was the original "rightwing" source in the media. Turner wanted an outlet that appealed to the business folk and the young upwardly mobile set that wanted news all the time and in short concise stories. Only the birth of FauxNews saw CNN shift back to the center so to speak. The "leftwing" media has always been an urban legend, repeated enough that people think it actuay exists.

CNN will pile on or cheer any cause or person when it is popular to do so. Their "left-wing/right-wing" stances change all the time. In fact, I think they have even less integrity than FOX, because at least FOX is fairly consistent with their reporting style.

Anyone who watched CNN during the 1st Gulf War would have seen just how right wing they could be when it suits their needs. They were instrumental to the Bush Sr. administration in manufacturing support for that war.