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Old 12-30-2025, 06:56 PM   #17861
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Yes, and? You can't draft a better player with a second round pick in all probability, and Farabee is no liability to a rebuild.
Farabee and Frost will be 30+ when Calgary is next a contender, at best. In fact, they hurt Calgary becoming a contender.

They are the exact trade trades teams make to stay in the mushy middle.
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:03 PM   #17862
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Farabee and Frost will be 30+ when Calgary is next a contender
No they will be around 55 to 60

We know our Flames and can see how they build teams
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:09 PM   #17863
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A lot of my thoughts were mainly Weegar can play LD and everything else is lottery tickets and we talk about draft and develop umm ain't that Rasmus? Parekh for example I'm not sold on yet as I detested having D like him in front of me. (Different era.) Of course I'm hoping he turns into what we all hope he does.
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Yes for many reasons. Chiefly, signing andersson without securing a game breaking talent through the draft at this point will probably lock us into finishing middle of the pack for the next few years at minimum.

Further, between weegar, parekh, bzru, Mews, and maybe other prospects the flames have the most depth in the system at RD.
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:15 PM   #17864
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As bad as things are with the "mushy middle", it can always be way worse. Look at the Leafs, they let their best player go for basically nothing, and are a bad team now. They also have no 1st, 2nd, or 4th round pick this year. And no 1st and 3rd round pick in 2027.

I like the way Conroy has been accumulating picks rather than trading them away.
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:16 PM   #17865
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Looking at that list does Tanev even have 6 years left in him ?

No one expects Tanev to play - they gave him that long to take the AAV down.
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:33 PM   #17866
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As bad as things are with the "mushy middle", it can always be way worse. Look at the Leafs, they let their best player go for basically nothing, and are a bad team now. They also have no 1st, 2nd, or 4th round pick this year. And no 1st and 3rd round pick in 2027.

I like the way Conroy has been accumulating picks rather than trading them away.
We know what that feels like we had the wizard. Thats like saying just look a few years ago.

Wait until they trade Matthews for a Huberdeau and dump useful players for firsts.
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:35 PM   #17867
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Farabee and Frost will be 30+ when Calgary is next a contender, at best. In fact, they hurt Calgary becoming a contender.

They are the exact trade trades teams make to stay in the mushy middle.
Ridiculous take.

Every team has multiple middle 6 forwards. And every team has multiple players in the 'core' age group (26-30). Every team NEEDS those types of players. And a couple middle 6 guys do not elevate a team from bottom 10 to mushy middle

The Flames actually have a deficit in the lineup, of players in the 26-30 range. And that deficit inhibits their ability to to trade older players because they don't have enough experienced replacements. So it is very reasonable to argue that acquiring these guys is a boost to their ability to tank, as opposed to inhibiting it.

Regardless, the bold is ridiculous, and your efforts to criticize everything the team does, including a very a good trade like this, are laughable.
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:41 PM   #17868
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We know what that feels like we had the wizard. Thats like saying just look a few years ago.

Wait until they trade Matthews for a Huberdeau and dump useful players for firsts.
I think most people know the smart thing to do is trade Kadri and Coleman etc. and that if we don't it will only prolong the rebuild and hurt the team long term. But I've already said my position on that many times.

I'm just happy we are not actively buying lol trying to look at the positives.
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:42 PM   #17869
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No they will be around 55 to 60

We know our Flames and can see how they build teams
In fairness, he did say 30+; so that could even be 100
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Old 12-30-2025, 07:49 PM   #17870
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Ridiculous take.

Every team has multiple middle 6 forwards. And every team has multiple players in the 'core' age group (26-30). Every team NEEDS those types of players. And a couple middle 6 guys do not elevate a team from bottom 10 to mushy middle

The Flames actually have a deficit in the lineup, of players in the 26-30 range. And that deficit inhibits their ability to trade older players because they don't have enough experienced replacements. So it is very reasonable to argue that acquiring these guys is a boost to their ability to tank, as opposed to inhibiting it.

Regardless, the bold is ridiculous, and your efforts to criticize everything the team does, including a very a good trade like this, are laughable.
It only ridiculous if you goal is to stay in the middle. Neither Farabee or Frost will help Calgary contend. Now, if they had a few elite centres they might. But you have those guys playing elite minutes and PP time, your team in going no where, expect perhaps to the middle.

They aren't trading older guys because they want to be as good as possible, even if that means just out of the playoffs.
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Old 12-30-2025, 08:02 PM   #17871
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The Kuzmenko-Frost deal made them younger and added a player who could be part of the rebuild, as opposed to Kuzmenko.

Basically you are making up reasons and deciding that players were giving lip service to wanting to stay because it fits your narrative. That's mighty handy.

You've just created your own straw dog there are kind of arguing with yourself because no where did I say anything negative about that trade.

I just said they've made 1 trade in 18 months to illustrate that they haven't been sending out strong players left right and center like someone claimed earlier in the thread to counter my point that the flames mgmt have been a bit stagnant for quite some time as far as their approach.

And like I said acknowledging that trades are tough and I know its not easy to make a bunch of deals. patience is fine, just questioned if patience is the issue after maloneys press tour this fall or if they were just content to sit tight. Personally hoping they can make some deals soon before the season ends up being stuck in no man's land between being a contender and adding a real core player in the draft.
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Old 12-30-2025, 08:18 PM   #17872
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It only ridiculous if you goal is to stay in the middle. Neither Farabee or Frost will help Calgary contend. Now, if they had a few elite centres they might. But you have those guys playing elite minutes and PP time, your team in going no where, expect perhaps to the middle.

They aren't trading older guys because they want to be as good as possible, even if that means just out of the playoffs.
This again?

1. Every team, no matter how bad, has to ice four forward lines, six defencemen and two goalies every game. Rebuilding teams make deals to acquire such players every single year.

2. Frost is a centre on a team desperately short of centres. Farabee has been spoken of as a guy who could take on Coleman’s job. Acquiring them makes it feasible to move Kadri and Coleman out.

3. Frost and Farabee can easily be traded themselves when they are no longer needed. They were acquired for a 2nd and a 7th plus two players that Philly didn’t even want to keep. Seems safe to suppose that they will bring back similar assets at worst.

4. The team is absolutely trading older guys. Every trade rumours segment from the media insiders is going on about it. You just seem intent on pulling a Veruca Salt because you want it to happen right this instant.
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Dallas has been having some serious discussions with Conroy regarding Andersson. I think this might get done soon.
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Old 12-30-2025, 10:48 PM   #17874
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Dallas has been having some serious discussions with Conroy regarding Andersson. I think this might get done soon.
Sign and trade or as a rental?
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Sign and trade or as a rental?
I was not given that information.
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Old 12-30-2025, 10:53 PM   #17876
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I thought it was mentioned earlier that Dallas was a team Ras might extend with, so hopefully that happens and the Flames get a better return.

Dallas has no 1st in 2026 or 2028 though. Not sure if they'd want to trade the 2027 1st and go without for 3 straight years.

Edit: Actually they had no 1st in 2025 either, so that would be 4 years straight.

Bischel, Hemming, Schmidt, 2027 1st, all would be pieces of interest.

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You've just created your own straw dog there are kind of arguing with yourself because no where did I say anything negative about that trade.

I just said they've made 1 trade in 18 months to illustrate that they haven't been sending out strong players left right and center like someone claimed earlier in the thread to counter my point that the flames mgmt have been a bit stagnant for quite some time as far as their approach.

And like I said acknowledging that trades are tough and I know its not easy to make a bunch of deals. patience is fine, just questioned if patience is the issue after maloneys press tour this fall or if they were just content to sit tight. Personally hoping they can make some deals soon before the season ends up being stuck in no man's land between being a contender and adding a real core player in the draft.
Straw dog?
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Straw dog?
That's the straw mans best friend.
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Farabee and Frost will be 30+ when Calgary is next a contender, at best. In fact, they hurt Calgary becoming a contender.

They are the exact trade trades teams make to stay in the mushy middle.
Oh noes, a contender with 30 year olds on the team? Like Nick Cousins or Evan Rodriguez with Florida when they won?
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That's the straw mans best friend.
Or a super violent movie from the 70s with Dustin Hoffman.
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