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Old 12-26-2025, 08:28 PM   #17381
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Flame blown out. Folding the team. It was a good run.
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Old 12-26-2025, 08:32 PM   #17382
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Old 12-26-2025, 08:36 PM   #17383
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That is where some of the frustration comes in for some, some think the Flames should fire sale them for spare parts for draft position. Conroy seems content on waiting to get proper value for his assets before moving them.
Seems it is a small minority of posters who don’t care about the return and advocate for selling for “spare parts”. Unfortunately this minority gets an undue amount of attention from some for whatever reason.

What perhaps frustrates other fans is the belief that proactively seeking out good trades for your older veterans is akin to selling them for spare parts.
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Old 12-26-2025, 08:44 PM   #17384
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I honestly don’t care too much about trade returns as I think Conroy will most likely get a 1st rounder and some b prospects for Andersson and something similar for Coleman. Kadri is not likely to be traded.

I just want a top 2-3 pick
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:16 PM   #17385
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Seems it is a small minority of posters who don’t care about the return and advocate for selling for “spare parts”. Unfortunately this minority gets an undue amount of attention from some for whatever reason.

What perhaps frustrates other fans is the belief that proactively seeking out good trades for your older veterans is akin to selling them for spare parts.
I doubt it is a situation where Conroy gets a call and he does not tell the other GM what he might consider as a suitable return in a trade. To think otherwise one would think that these GM’s are calling him with #### offers and they are so bad that there is no point in saying what he would take in a trade. Not sure what proactively calling those same GM’s and saying “hey, I know you just called me with a terrible offer but I want you to know that I am willing to trade that player if you give me a decent offer”.
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:16 PM   #17386
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If the flames are thinking about trading kadri to Montreal hage is looking pretty solid out there tonight. Adding a young center like him would be massive and for kadri with a bit of retention feels like he wouldnt be out of reach at all
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:24 PM   #17387
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Hage ain't being moved unless they're getting Sid out of Pitt imo
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:28 PM   #17388
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The idea that the fan you describe wouldn’t be just as interested in a different, younger star player is crazy to me. This team traded Iginla and the fans hung around. Trading Kadri would be a blip.
Like I said, I don't think they want to move Naz until one of the kids eclipses him precisely because of fans like the one I described. I’m no insider, but Flames are telegraphing it through various channels. A tear down wasn’t in the cards when we were dead last, it sure isn’t now.

Look at Zayne, lot’s of potential but it’s going to take him time. If someone gives you a pile of picks for Naz, is it fair to but pressure on Zayne or Matvei to carry fan expectations? After Naz, this team is all generic support players. Heck maybe even Naz is, but he has some cachet.
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:29 PM   #17389
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Seems it is a small minority of posters who don’t care about the return and advocate for selling for “spare parts”. Unfortunately this minority gets an undue amount of attention from some for whatever reason.
Could be because they post a ton and about the same things
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Old 12-26-2025, 09:55 PM   #17391
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What does it cost to get Tij? Assuming Parekh and Wolf and the 2026 1st are the untouchables. I went into this tour ament assuming Tij was going to have a beast of a tournament and it looks like he is.

What about Kadri + Gridin + Potter + Vegas 1st? That’s a massive offer. But if Iginla is the most untouchable piece in the Utah organization, that’s probably still not enough.
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What does it cost to get Tij? Assuming Parekh and Wolf and the 2026 1st are the untouchables. I went into this tour ament assuming Tij was going to have a beast of a tournament and it looks like he is.

What about Kadri + Gridin + Potter + Vegas 1st? That’s a massive offer. But if Iginla is the most untouchable piece in the Utah organization, that’s probably still not enough.

This is a joke right?
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No one says trade them for spare parts but the returns are likely not drastically changing. Kadri is what he is. You know you're getting a solid 2nd line center who is nearing the end of his career. There is likely a much higher probability he lowers his trade value than increases it at this point. His value this trade deadline and last are likely very similar. There is a higher probability his value decreases in a year or two than increases . So holding out for a tiny bit extra doesn't make sense when you're hurting your draft position which matters way more and you risk his value dropping.

Same goes for Coleman.

Weegar you can wait as he's reasonable age and has term.

Andersson you're stuck now. You're taking whatever you get.

So trying to squeeze an extra late pick or a slightly better b prospect isn't worth the increase in draft position and risk of the asset losing value.
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Old 12-26-2025, 10:18 PM   #17394
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This is a joke right?
Sort of. But everyone says Utah will absolutely not trade Iginla. So if that’s the case, it probably takes a ridiculous offer to get them to consider trading him. Starting with that package, how much does it need to be widdled down for the flames to be ok with it and for Utah to still say yes? Is Kadri + Gridin enough? It’s still a huge offer - Gridin is having a monster season in the AHL. But Tij’s value is only going up at this point.
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Sort of. But everyone says Utah will absolutely not trade Iginla. So if that’s the case, it probably takes a ridiculous offer to get them to consider trading him. Starting with that package, how much does it need to be widdled down for the flames to be ok with it and for Utah to still say yes? Is Kadri + Gridin enough? It’s still a huge offer - Gridin is having a monster season in the AHL. But Tij’s value is only going up at this point.
If we are offering a package that big it certainly isnt for Tij??

I honestly dont get this obsession
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If we are offering a package that big it certainly isnt for Tij??

I honestly dont get this obsession
Just love the player and think he is going to be a clutch top six forward in the NHL… every game I’ve seen him play, he looks so collected and plays such a pro game. Looked the same at the Hlinka tournament last year. And the story for the flames to have him would be really cool.

Obviously I’m one of the fans who wants him more than some and I’m really high on him as a prospect. He really wanted to be a flame too. I know it’s very unlikely for that to happen and, if it does, it will likely be later in his career.
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Old 12-26-2025, 11:37 PM   #17397
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What does it cost to get Tij? Assuming Parekh and Wolf and the 2026 1st are the untouchables. I went into this tour ament assuming Tij was going to have a beast of a tournament and it looks like he is.

What about Kadri + Gridin + Potter + Vegas 1st? That’s a massive offer. But if Iginla is the most untouchable piece in the Utah organization, that’s probably still not enough.
I do not think that Tij is realistic. There is too much significance wrapped around him as the first prospect of the Utah iteration of the franchise.

From the last time we poked around the Mammoth, it is likely more feasible to try and acquire Desnoyers than to get Iginla out of that franchise. But that would assume that you can convince them that Cooley and Iginla are their 1-2 centers and that Desnoyers won't be satisfied playing wing or #3C, which is reasonable considering many Cs selected in the top of the draft are not interested in being third line players or changing to wing.

Also, their top 6 is getting pretty overloaded:
Keller-Cooley-Peterka
Crouse-Schmaltz-Guenther
HM: But, Hayton

Then throw on Iginla and Desnoyers and there is still 1-2 more bodies than there is spots in the top 6 and that is assuming Schmaltz and Crouse walk over the next couple of seasons.

How close does Kadri (50% retained) + Andersson (with extension) get you to Desnoyers? I would throw in the Vegas 1st too, if needed, but that is starting to feel like a crazy offer considering what we think we could get back from those assets independently.
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I don't think that's a deal Utah does
The problem of having too many forwards will be solved by moving guys like Crouse and Hayton. it also remains to be seen what they do with Schmaltz and if he's there long-term.

The problem of potentially having too many centers is solved by playing Iginla on the wing, which he may excel at because of his board work.

Desnoyer is a key piece for them long-term, probably the guy they are thinking is their #2 pivot to complement Cooley.

And if they want to try and improve the team in an accelerated way, they have a ton of other prospects and draft capital to leverage.

There is no need for them to move a guy like Desonyer.
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Old 12-27-2025, 12:07 AM   #17399
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Flames are 2 points out of last place, and are about to trade their best defencemen. Plus, they are likely to trade Kadri and/or Coleman as well. Plus they have the hardest remaining schedule in the entire league.


No, you do not have to go out and trade players for pennies on the dollar for the tank.
No, you the next game against Edmonton won't decide squat in terms of direction (like seriously??)


Just relax and let the season play out. Enjoy the wins, go watch Mckenna/Stenberg/Verhoeff/Lawrence highlights when they lose. Rinse and repeat. Then look forward to the lottery and get down on your damn knees and pray to the almight gods of Hockey for a favorable outcome (and while you are there, send a few prayers my way to win the Lotto Max too, ok??).


That's the season. Flames are likely going to draft the highest that they have ever drafted, and may potentially be adding one of the best players in the history of the Calgary Flames when all is said and done (tough for me to say that any prospect right now will for sure go on to have better careers than a good handful of Flames players - there have been some amazing Flames, right?).


2 points separate the Flames from last place. Vancouver is doing well lately and will likely continue doing better with Demko and some other bodies back - and their schedule is much easier than the Flames'. Chicago will probably do a bit better when Bedard returns. Seattle is a very 'meh' team that is playing poorly, but I think they will improve as well, though not by much. Nashville is improving and playing better - we will see if they dump players or not, but at this point they are improving and they have a much easier schedule as well. Jets will get Hellebuyck back soon, and hopefully that is enough to give them a lift - not enough of an excuse for them sucking this bad, but Hellebucyk returning should reinvigorate that team.


That's how I see it, and I don't think I am crazy. I don't see Vancouver tanking. The only team I am legitimately worried about finishing low is St. Louis, because they have the 3rd toughest strength of schedule left and they may unload players.


Conroy can - and SHOULD - be very patient and wait for good offers as teams accrue cap space, and as some moves are made for teams trying to keep up with one another. Lots of time left.
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Don't shortcut the rebuild. We are not in the position to be trading tons of futures for something unproven. Keep the picks, trade for picks, if we can get someone young cheap do it. But don't pay a significant price for a gamble. Take the picks for the gambles.

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