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Old 12-19-2025, 02:30 PM   #16661
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Talks on hold for now. I wasn't given information if they couldn't agree on trade terms or if the player didn't agree to it, but there was interest but it didn't get to a level of a deal being done for now. Door isn't shut for now. Sharks are speaking with 2 other teams on a right shot defenseman as well. That's the biggest piece they want. 1 defenseman is from an Eastern Conference team and is already under contract.

Jeff Skinner is being benched for the 5th time in 8 games and he along with Ferraro and Liljegren are the pieces being explored. 2-3 teams have called on Liljegren.
Super interesting. I wonder how much of that is Conroy not pulling the trigger on the trade until he circles back to other interested teams... To me that suggests the offer is not so amazing that it would blow Conroy's socks off, otherwise he would have pulled the trigger immediately.

In that case, it would make sense for Conroy to go back to the other rumoured teams and say "We have a serious offer, do you want to try and beat it?". Give them each a chance to put in a final offer and maybe crank the price up a bit. Of course, the problem with that idea is that Andersson may or may not be willing to sign extensions with each of those teams, which would change the value coming back dramatically.

Hopefully during the trade freeze they work out a deal and then pull the trigger after the holidays.
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Old 12-19-2025, 02:34 PM   #16662
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Flames have been rumoured to have interest in Ferraro for a while.

It would be very flames to do something like Ferraro + 1st for Andersson

I'd be pretty certain the eastern conference RH dman would be Hamilton who has been rumoured to have been on the block, has term, and could be a fit for San Jose
I don't think Ferraro does anything that we are not already getting from Bahl and Kuznetsov. I wouldn't attribute any value to him coming to the Flames (ie. he would be more of a cap dump to us than an asset) and would definitely not accept a "Ferraro + late 1st" offer for Andersson.

The Sharks should trade Ferraro elsewhere to get value on him or keep him for LD depth if they are heading for a playoff run.
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Old 12-19-2025, 02:37 PM   #16663
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As long as we don’t end up like Columbus or Seattle or the mushy middle Devils we should be fine. Don’t be Buffalo or Utah/Arizona either.
Haha, I see what you did there. The Devils selected #1OA twice recently and you are saying they are still a mushy middle team!
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Old 12-19-2025, 02:44 PM   #16664
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The devils were just waiting for their players to hit primes. They are sick

Also, I’d imagine CC will wait for January because of the team imposed trade freeze we have always had. January gives everyone time to think and adjust and counter offer
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Old 12-19-2025, 02:55 PM   #16665
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I don't think Ferraro does anything that we are not already getting from Bahl and Kuznetsov. I wouldn't attribute any value to him coming to the Flames (ie. he would be more of a cap dump to us than an asset) and would definitely not accept a "Ferraro + late 1st" offer for Andersson.

The Sharks should trade Ferraro elsewhere to get value on him or keep him for LD depth if they are heading for a playoff run.
I actually think that the Flames D core is perfectly setup to develop Andersson's replacement on the right side, with 3 dependable stay at home D on the left side in: Bahl, Kuznetsov, and Hanley. Combined with 3 puck movers in Weegar, Parekh, and Brzustewicz playing on the right side, and Pachal as the extra. It also gives the Flames 1 vet, and 1 rookie on each pairing.
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Ferraro is one of the worst regular dmen in the NHL by every metric. He's one of the worst plus minus players in the league for about 6 years and his Corsi is in the low 40s every season. I know the Sharks are bad but if you look at the advanced stats he's a big part of why they've been bad. Even if you think he has any trade value at all, he's a UFA after this season and they'll probably get a mid round pick from a contender desperate to have some depth coverage for a playoff run too so it's hard to see the flames chasing him specifically, unless they really think Parekh can't play in the new year at this level, and want to throw a bunch of money at him.

Which I'm not against if it's not more than 3 years, if you're wanting to see the flames rebuild which I am, that's a guy that's going to help get you a high pick
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Old 12-19-2025, 03:50 PM   #16667
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I actually think that the Flames D core is perfectly setup to develop Andersson's replacement on the right side, with 3 dependable stay at home D on the left side in: Bahl, Kuznetsov, and Hanley. Combined with 3 puck movers in Weegar, Parekh, and Brzustewicz playing on the right side, and Pachal as the extra. It also gives the Flames 1 vet, and 1 rookie on each pairing.
Totally agree with this.

One of my biggest gripes has been none of the guys in the system (Solo,Kuz, Poirier)seemed to be able to make the jump. Kuz coming in and looking like a middle pairing guy is a game changer for our depth. With Bru coming in and looking legit it makes me feel a whole lot better, today and moving forward.

Just need that stud center dang nabit.
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Old 12-19-2025, 03:52 PM   #16668
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I actually think that the Flames D core is perfectly setup to develop Andersson's replacement on the right side, with 3 dependable stay at home D on the left side in: Bahl, Kuznetsov, and Hanley. Combined with 3 puck movers in Weegar, Parekh, and Brzustewicz playing on the right side, and Pachal as the extra. It also gives the Flames 1 vet, and 1 rookie on each pairing.
Let's also keep in mind that Andersson himself was a late 2nd pick. Andersson type players are typically developed from within from depth prospects. Plus, if the Flames don't find an Andersson in their pipeline, if they have the bigger pieces in place, acquiring an Andersson via trade/UFA is totally doable.

Holding off a rebuild, because you are worried about finding an Andersson replacement in the future should not be a consideration.
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Old 12-19-2025, 03:55 PM   #16669
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Let's also keep in mind that Andersson himself was a late 2nd pick. Andersson type players are typically developed from within from depth prospects. Plus, if the Flames don't find an Andersson in their pipeline, if they have the bigger pieces in place, acquiring an Andersson via trade/UFA is totally doable.

Holding off a rebuild, because you are worried about finding an Andersson replacement in the future should not be a consideration.
I am excited to see the trade tree that was Sven Baertschi grow and it is also fitting the Canucks provided the Flames with a player that can hopefully fill a permanent spot on the right side in Brustewicz while the flames grab valuable futures for Anderson who was drafted with the pick they got for Sven
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Old 12-19-2025, 04:11 PM   #16670
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Ferraro is one of the worst regular dmen in the NHL by every metric. He's one of the worst plus minus players in the league for about 6 years and his Corsi is in the low 40s every season. I know the Sharks are bad but if you look at the advanced stats he's a big part of why they've been bad. Even if you think he has any trade value at all, he's a UFA after this season and they'll probably get a mid round pick from a contender desperate to have some depth coverage for a playoff run too so it's hard to see the flames chasing him specifically, unless they really think Parekh can't play in the new year at this level, and want to throw a bunch of money at him.

Which I'm not against if it's not more than 3 years, if you're wanting to see the flames rebuild which I am, that's a guy that's going to help get you a high pick
You have to take all of that with a grain of salt. Ferraro is a second pair D who was forced to play top minutes for a terrible Sharks team. The guy was set up to fail on a team that was set up to be the worst.

This year the Sharks bring in Orlov and push Ferraro down the depth chart and suddenly Ferraro is a 0 instead of a -25 or -38. I would guess that the Sharks keep him if they stay in the playoff hunt this season.

This demonstrates why the Sharks need a #1RD. Neither Liljegren or Klingberg should be on the top pair playing against other team's top lines. Pushing those guys down the line up will get them into roles that they can handle and the group as a whole will perform better.

If anyone is on the way out of the Sharks it is probably Liljegren. If they bring in a real #1RD and then have Klingberg and Mukhamadullin, then Liljegren is the odd man out. They have other players who can be a 7/8 depth D.
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The devils were just waiting for their players to hit primes. They are sick

Also, I’d imagine CC will wait for January because of the team imposed trade freeze we have always had. January gives everyone time to think and adjust and counter offer
Hischier is almost there, once he turns 27 next month it will happen.

Same with Jack Hughes, once he turns 25 at the end of the year he will be leading them out of the mushy middle.
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Old 12-19-2025, 04:22 PM   #16672
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The devils were just waiting for their players to hit primes. They are sick

Also, I’d imagine CC will wait for January because of the team imposed trade freeze we have always had. January gives everyone time to think and adjust and counter offer
Lol why did they trade a first for an old goalie a year in a half ago if they were waiting?
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Time to get some players traded so these wins stop happening. After last night teams have to be begging for Anderson
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Totally agree with this.

One of my biggest gripes has been none of the guys in the system (Solo,Kuz, Poirier)seemed to be able to make the jump. Kuz coming in and looking like a middle pairing guy is a game changer for our depth. With Bru coming in and looking legit it makes me feel a whole lot better, today and moving forward.

Just need that stud center dang nabit.
The wingers, long term, aren't good enough either.

There is some promise in guys like Bison and Gridin but I don't think either of them will be elite wingers. And you need at least one of those. Great teams have elite pairings up front. You can get away with the third guy on a line being complimentary, which is more what I see those 2 guys.

But the Flames need a franchise center and a franchise winger. That's why getting one of them this draft (e.g. Mckenna or Stenberg) is fine, including because next year's draft, so far, looks to be way better for centers.
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Old 12-19-2025, 05:17 PM   #16675
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/690...shared_article

Lebrun on the Athletic.

Vancouver looking for young players and seemingly looking to do the Hybrid rebuild which is what we have heard Francis refer to the Flames rebuild as. Not surprising both ownership groups do not want many seasons at the bottom and always want to win right away.

RoR might not be available and wants to stay in Nashville as part of the solution

Andersson trade chatter with the Lesfs. The Leafs don’t really have the pieces and everyone will love to hear the Flames might make another attempt to sign him (personally I doubt this).
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/690...shared_article

Lebrun on the Athletic.

Vancouver looking for young players and seemingly looking to do the Hybrid rebuild which is what we have heard Francis refer to the Flames rebuild as. Not surprising both ownership groups do not want many seasons at the bottom and always want to win right away.

RoR might not be available and wants to stay in Nashville as part of the solution

Andersson trade chatter with the Lesfs. The Leafs don’t really have the pieces and everyone will love to hear the Flames might make another attempt to sign him (personally I doubt this).
Well that is your interpretation of the article, not what Lebrun says. He never mentions that the Flames will do a hybrid rebuild, just that the Canucks will and that they are not tanking (something I think we all knew that the Canucks were not tanking)

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Teams have been more active reaching out to the Calgary Flames on Rasmus Andersson after the Hughes blockbuster, which makes sense given that there may not be a bigger name on defense remaining available between now and March 6.

One of the decisions the Flames have to make is whether to try to move the pending UFA as a traditional rental or to allow agent Claude Lemieux to enter the process in a potential sign-and-trade to augment the trade return.

It’s also not completely out of the question that the Flames try one last time to re-sign Andersson at some point.
So his insider intel is that they might trade him as a rental, trade him as a trade and sign or sign him. His language makes signing seem the least likely.

What is clear is that he is a super well connected insider. There are 3 options for the Flames that don’t include walking him for free and he says they could do all 3. He probably has some real good intel to go off of to list the 3 options that are available.

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I like Andersson but I am going to be very disappointed if they re-sign him at this stage.
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Well that is your interpretation of the article, not what Lebrun says. He never mentions that the Flames will do a hybrid rebuild, just that the Canucks will and that they are not tanking (something I think we all knew that the Canucks were not tanking)

For the Flames he said
I didn’t say Lebrun said the Flames would do a hybrid rebuild did I? Francis has used that term with the Flames and that is what I referenced.
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Francis actually used the stupid term “hybuild” on FlamesTalk in the past
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I like Andersson but I am going to be very disappointed if they re-sign him at this stage.
I think it is posturing personally
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