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Old 12-15-2025, 09:54 PM   #15961
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Well, one thing I’d say is that neither the Flames nor the Canucks are well managed teams in recent times (…and longer).

So to see their approaches being talked about as being similar, is both sad and also probably aligned with reality.

…because neither of these organizations have had a clue when it comes to building what they say they want (sustained winning).

Also, so far this season, the Canucks have been more proactive than the Flames when it comes to getting business done and dealing with contractual situations. I’d even give a significant nod to Vancouver, because they’re at least honest enough with themselves to pull the ripcord on their best player in a way to maximize their return, which to date - is the opposite of what Calgary has done (which is nothing).

Like we’ve all said their actions will speak louder than their words, and they have been inactive which amplifies their words to date.

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Old 12-15-2025, 10:05 PM   #15962
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Well, one thing I’d say is that neither the Flames nor the Canucks are well managed teams in recent times (…and longer).

So to see their approaches being talked about as being similar, is both sad and also probably aligned with reality.

…because neither of these organizations have had a clue when it comes to building what they say they want (sustained winning).

Also, so far this season, the Canucks have been more proactive than the Flames when it comes to getting business done and dealing with contractual situations. I’d even give a significant nod to Vancouver, because they’re at least honest enough with themselves to pull the ripcord on their best player in a way to maximize their return, which to date - is the opposite of what Calgary has done (which is nothing).
What does this mean? Hughes said he wasn’t re-signing and wanted it done quickly. The only comparable with Calgary would be Tkachuk and it’s basically exactly what Calgary did lol.

The only other trade they made was blowing a 4th on a guy they put on waivers 3 weeks later. And I guess they signed a 30 year old to a one year contract?
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:06 PM   #15963
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:13 PM   #15964
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What does this mean? Hughes said he wasn’t re-signing and wanted it done quickly.
And they've been trying to get him to change his mind for a year. It took a nosedive in the standings for them to finally give up and get it over with.
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Well, one thing I’d say is that neither the Flames nor the Canucks are well managed teams in recent times (…and longer).

So to see their approaches being talked about as being similar, is both sad and also probably aligned with reality.

…because neither of these organizations have had a clue when it comes to building what they say they want (sustained winning).

Also, so far this season, the Canucks have been more proactive than the Flames when it comes to getting business done and dealing with contractual situations. I’d even give a significant nod to Vancouver, because they’re at least honest enough with themselves to pull the ripcord on their best player in a way to maximize their return, which to date - is the opposite of what Calgary has done (which is nothing).

Like we’ve all said their actions will speak louder than their words, and they have been inactive which amplifies their words to date.
In the last week maybe...when their star player said he wanted out

They traded a 2025 1st for a 29 year old this year, they traded a pick for Kane, a pick for Rechiel.
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:37 PM   #15966
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The Canucks sent a memo out to the whole NHL saying every one of their vets is available. You may not agree with the strategy, but they are certainly trying to make some trades. They also said they are rebuilding recently.

We are not sure what the Flames are doing. Some insiders have said our plan is basically to do nothing unless the vets ask out themselves. But maybe behind the scenes they are trying to do something and trade some vets. As per Don Maloney though, "we need more Kadris, not less". So, hopefully Conroy is ignoring that moron.
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:40 PM   #15967
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The canucks should be in the middle of their contention window but are a complete tire fire instead, and the Flames are supposed to emulate them because last week their star player requested a trade and got it? Lmao
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The canucks should be in the middle of their contention window but are a complete tire fire instead, and the Flames are supposed to emulate them because last week their star player requested a trade and got it? Lmao
No, I think the concensus around the NHL is the Flames and Canucks are 2 of the worst run franchises at the top. And their owners never choose to rebuild.

Which is why I am saying a rebuilding trade they made in the last week, and using the term rebuild is so shocking. But it doesn't take away their owner is up there with ours for worst in the NHL.
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:45 PM   #15969
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What Friedman says doesn't concern me because I have been saying the same thing for a while now. This is nothing new.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:10 PM   #15970
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The Canucks sent a memo out to the whole NHL saying every one of their vets is available. You may not agree with the strategy, but they are certainly trying to make some trades. They also said they are rebuilding recently.

We are not sure what the Flames are doing.
They’ve also said all the same things the Flames are saying in the last month lol. Don’t make stuff up now.

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The Canucks sent a memo out to the whole NHL saying every one of their vets is available. You may not agree with the strategy, but they are certainly trying to make some trades. They also said they are rebuilding recently.

We are not sure what the Flames are doing. Some insiders have said our plan is basically to do nothing unless the vets ask out themselves. But maybe behind the scenes they are trying to do something and trade some vets. As per Don Maloney though, "we need more Kadris, not less". So, hopefully Conroy is ignoring that moron.
In november they said they weren't rebuilding like 20 times in the after hours interview.

Flames have been making rebuilding moves for 3 years...including trading a rental to Vancouver lol. You realize Gridin and Bruz are Vancouver picks right? Two of the Flames top prospects. Lets look at the last 10 moves each team has made not just ONE.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:13 PM   #15972
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In november that said they weren't rebuilding like 20 times in the after hours interview.

Flames have been making rebuilding moves for 3 years...including trading a rental to Vancouver lol. You realize Gridin and Bruz are Vancouver picks right? Two of the Flames top prospects. Lets look at the last 10 moves each team has made not just ONE.
We have been making rebuilding trades for 3 years? Our last rebuilding type trade was Markstrom almost 2 years ago lol.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:18 PM   #15973
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Endless debate aside but maybe taking a step back- it is pretty unclear what the Flames broad strategy is. They don’t need to telegraph their every move obviously but they should be at least honest with people what their general intentions are because to me it is all very confusing (when it shouldn’t be).
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We have been making rebuilding trades for 3 years? Our last rebuilding type trade was Markstrom almost 2 years ago lol.
Rebuilding moves...

In 2025 Vancouver has traded a first for Marcus Pettersson (29)
A fourth for Kane 34
A fourth for Reichel (waived a month later)
The rebuild you envy?

Three drafts in a row the Flames will have 2+ firsts

Not spending cap, not trading picks for older players, not signing UFAs are all rebuilding moves. Ras is being traded 100% it was already done but LA wanted an extension he wasn't willing to do. If anything the price has gone up recently.
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We have been making rebuilding trades for 3 years? Our last rebuilding type trade was Markstrom almost 2 years ago lol.
Any trade where you get picks and prospects or even younger players is a rebuilding trade. There's no rule that a trade of an expiring vet is not a rebuilding trade.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:26 PM   #15976
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Rebuilding moves...

In 2025 Vancouver has traded a first for Marcus Pettersson (29)
A fourth for Kane 34
A fourth for Reichel (waived a month later)
The rebuild you envy?

Three drafts in a row the Flames will have 2+ firsts

Not spending cap, not trading picks for older players, not signing UFAs are all rebuilding moves. Ras is being traded 100% it was already done but LA wanted an extension he wasn't willing to do. If anything the price has gone up recently.
I'm not using Vancouver as some model to follow. I liked their last trade, that is it.

I gave the same praise for the Flames with the Lindholm and Markstrom trades. But it has been 2 years and they have done nothing since when we could be capitalizing on trading vets while they still have value.

So my only point was, what exactly is the plan? Besides do nothing.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:27 PM   #15977
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Any trade where you get picks and prospects or even younger players is a rebuilding trade. There's no rule that a trade of an expiring vet is not a rebuilding trade.
If you're referring to the Frost trade it wasn't even a bad trade. But I don't really consider it a rebuilding type trade, we got those players to try to help make the playoffs last year.
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Old 12-15-2025, 11:28 PM   #15978
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The Canucks sent a memo out to the whole NHL saying every one of their vets is available. You may not agree with the strategy, but they are certainly trying to make some trades. They also said they are rebuilding recently.

We are not sure what the Flames are doing. Some insiders have said our plan is basically to do nothing unless the vets ask out themselves. But maybe behind the scenes they are trying to do something and trade some vets. As per Don Maloney though, "we need more Kadris, not less". So, hopefully Conroy is ignoring that moron.
I know facts are tough when you have a bias and have to spin everything around that bias.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/article/canuc...rch-of-centre/

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Do you think that when a GM calls Conroy to inquire about Kadri or Coleman, which we know has happened, he doesn't listen? Kadri and Coleman are not even UFA's so wouldn't even fall under available players that the Canucks management sent a memo about.
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Endless debate aside but maybe taking a step back- it is pretty unclear what the Flames broad strategy is. They don’t need to telegraph their every move obviously but they should be at least honest with people what their general intentions are because to me it is all very confusing (when it shouldn’t be).
I don't think it's that unclear, and I feel no need to be spoon fed the club's intentions. I judge their trading out of vets over the last 2 seasons, the fact they've made zero moves to improve the chances of POs as significant (way more than the absence of deals when we have no idea what other teams are doing).

Frankly, if they anounced a "rebuild" in a presser tomorrow a bunch of people here who've called for that language would immediately say "that's all well and good but let's see what they do".
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Not sure what’s so difficult to understand, and why you think it’s such a leap in logic.

The Canucks tried to tinker, and run it back this year. That failed, and they’ve fallen on their face. They’ve now pivoted, somewhat proactively considering Hughes has another year on his contract. What happened in the off-season, or the minor moves that preceded their pivot in approach to this season, is somewhat irrelevant.

We’re simply hoping the Flames will also pivot, however we’re being openly told by the organization (and THE insider) that they are in fact not going to pivot, or at the very least the insiders words could be interpreted that way (though the organization’s own words don’t really give us reason to believe otherwise).

So we sit, waiting for their actions to tell us what they’re really doing (because apparently we’re not supposed to take them at their word), but so far their actions (inaction) align with what they’re saying.

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