Let me ask you a question: if you don’t get joy from highs (or at best they feel bittersweet) even in limited amounts (wins, first goals and emerging rookies, great plays, vets giving it their all) and you don’t care about the losses (or actively cheer for them) even in large amounts, why do you care if they win a cup in your lifetime?
I am enjoying it...just in a different way than you. I’m here for the youth movement. I’m watching Parekh, Wolf, Coronato, and the like take real steps. If I’m buying tickets right now, it’s for them, not for a “toilet bowl” win in a lost season where Blake Coleman scores the lone goal in a 2-1 SO win.
At this stage, the vets driving the results aren’t part of the long-term picture. So yeah, my joy comes from watching how the organization positions itself for the future. That’s just as much a part of fandom as cheering for every random win.
If what fires you up is the nightly scoreboard, great. Enjoy it. But I’m not going to pretend that’s the only valid way to be a fan… or talk down to people who experience the season differently.
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Whether you want to acknowledge it or call it BS, a cup win is going to mean a lot more to people who actually enjoy the team and choose to experience every high and low as they should be experienced vs those who just want to checkout and skip to the end. It’s not some scorecard, it’s just a fact that some people are choosing to miss out while others aren’t.
Again, this is a pretty condescending way to frame being a fan, and it ignores the fact that every fan has their own history with this team and their own reasons for watching when they can.
My not cheering for wins at this point has its valid reasons. It has absolutely zero bearing on how much I'll enjoy when the rebuild is really firing up and starts to produce a competitive club.
Some people ride every high and every low. At one point in my life, I did the same. Others, when times are tough like they currently are, prefer to focus on the big picture and take the smaller wins as part of the process. Both are legitimate. Acting like one version is pure and the other is "checking out" is just a really narrow read on what it means to be a fan.
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We can still party together as fans when they win the cup. I’m just going to enjoy it more than you could, and neither your nor my approach is going to make any difference in how they get there. It’s purely your loss.
Nobody’s joy gets prorated based on how they processed a dead-end season. I’ve lived through just as much Flames misery as anyone here. I don’t need to cosplay enthusiasm in a throwaway year to “earn” the right to enjoy a Cup. But you do you.
You’ll enjoy it I’m sure! Just not for the same reasons others will enjoy it. And again, it has nothing to do with being a better or worse fan. These are qualifications you guys are making up.
You’re just missing out and will inevitably enjoy the ultimate prize less than those who didn’t miss out on the journey. It’s your loss. But that’s OK too. If it’s your decision to miss out on the highs and lows of this period in time why are you mad at people who aren’t?
The bolded phrases completely contradict each other.
A win is a fun thing in the moment. I don't see how that can be denied. You don't feel the least bit happy for the players and the fans who got to see the team win (if it's at home). The guys who scored? The goalie who player well enough to get a W? You are not happy the rival team lost, especially if they are dirty?
The players should be happy they won for sure, for them it's always good to perform well and play good, and against a rival team you always want to win.
Honestly at this point for me I'm not really happy with a win, or even really sad with a win, the results are kind of indifferent.
I want to see young players perform well, I want to see young players getting more opportunity, and I want to see a franchise focused on development long term.
Personally I don't think sitting Wolf the last week has been a good thing, win or lose. I doubt he's happy as the franchise goalie to be benched the last two games. To me that's a frustrating decision that's focused on what's giving them the best chance to win right now, but not really focused on long term what's best.
The results are secondary to me at this point, I want to see an organization including the coach that is focused on long term success. Not just doing whatever the can to scrape out wins this season.
A month ago people were upset because Cooley wasn't playing and were worried Huska was going to burn out Wolf and ruin his development. Now they're upset because he hasn't played in 6 days.
Maybe there's something he's battling through and because Cooley is playing well it gives Huska an excuse to give him a break and get Cooley's starts up to where people thought they should be.
A month ago people were upset because Cooley wasn't playing and were worried Huska was going to burn out Wolf and ruin his development. Now they're upset because he hasn't played in 6 days.
Maybe there's something he's battling through and because Cooley is playing well it gives Huska an excuse to give him a break and get Cooley's starts up to where people thought they should be.
It can be both.
It was stupid to start Wolf in three straight games to start the season on short rest.
Its not the best to continue to start Cooley now and not give Wolf a chance to redeem himself (unless he does have an injury - then it's fine).
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I think 99.9% of people here would take back to back cup finals and a game 7 over what we currently have
You have a weird definition of “working” for someone who defends the Flames in 100 posts a day. Clearly what we are doing isn’t working and hasn’t for 35 years then if winning the cup is the only measure of “working”
And yet you constantly bring up the Carolina model who has 1 win past round 2 in two decades….
Oilers won a lottery that they had a 10% chance of winning in the best year in 2 decades to win in. Lets not pretend it was some shrewd plan. Under current draft rules they would have had a zero percent chance at McDavid and would be worse than Buffalo.
Oilers won a lottery that they had a 10% chance of winning in the best year in 2 decades to win in. Lets not pretend it was some shrewd plan. Under current draft rules they would have had a zero percent chance at McDavid and would be worse than Buffalo.
And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.
I dunno about that...I think honestly, he's been over-worked. Its not even just about the number of games he's played but he's been hung out to dry on a lot of occasions.
Maybe he just needs a break and besides, Cooley has been playing well and he doesn't have the specter of a big contract hanging over his head.
Wolf strikes me as a serious guy who wants to win and help his team win and they havent exactly been giving him tons of help.
Cooley on the other hand seems more like a 'happy-go-lucky shrug-it-off and move along' kind of guy which, might be more what this team needs right now.
Not to mention, Wolf's been getting the hard starts, Nashville is beatable even without God-Mode goaltending and, at the same time, ride the hot-hand.
I'm not reading too much into it.
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Meh.. there isn't really a rule for fandom. Cheer for losses so that the Flames can get a high pick and win later - that's fine. Cheer for wins because doing anything else seems anti-fandom to you, that's fine too. Too many people are up in arms about what they should or should not do - ON BOTH sides of the argument. One side is a little more insufferable, however.
Whether I cheer for a win or a loss is irrelevant to the outcome. Flames management better be planning on getting this team positioned for a high pick, as it will help the Flames long term. Never picking high and being 'noble' has resulted in zero success for the last 30+ seasons. So I cheer for wins and enjoy them because I am sure that this team is destined for a high pick this year. It is a lot more fun doing that then being upset after a win. If they lose, great - that's the best thing long-term, but I am not happy about it, but simply assuaged. I guarantee that cheering for wins is a lot more fun than cheering for losses, even with a miserable season.
It is not anti-fan to cheer for losses with the expectation of a high pick and success later. It makes it annoying, to be sure. Plus, there is no rule that you can't enjoy the wins later - that's the point of cheering for losses, now, right? Do people who are against a rebuild - especially bottoming-out or 'tanking' - allowed to cheer for the superstars of the future down the road? Of course they are - making an argument contrary to that is just silly.
Cheer for wins, or cheer for losses - whatever floats your boat. Just understand that your cheering has ZILCH to do with the outcome, but coming on here and 'reminding' everyone that they should be doing one or the other is pretty damn annoying already in 28 GDTs and counting.
How about from now on, we just talk about the game itself in the GDT and the PGT, rather than squabble about fandom rules?
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It was stupid to start Wolf in three short games to start the season on short rest.
Its not the best to continue to start Cooley now and not give Wolf a chance to redeem himself (unless he does have an injury - then it's fine).
It wasn't just the first three games that people were complaining. Up until this last weeks it's been consistently happening when Wolf got a string of games. Not just on here, but on social media.
It was also the first three games of the season where he was fresh.
If he's not injured as long as Huska and him are on the same page it's not that big of a deal. If Cooley was struggling and still getting starts I could see him getting frustrated but he hasn't. If he's a good teammate which I think he is all he'll care about is the team winning and just use it for motivation for when Huska goes back to him.
Meh.. there isn't really a rule for fandom. Cheer for losses so that the Flames can get a high pick and win later - that's fine. Cheer for wins because doing anything else seems anti-fandom to you, that's fine too. Too many people are up in arms about what they should or should not do - ON BOTH sides of the argument. One side is a little more insufferable, however.
Whether I cheer for a win or a loss is irrelevant to the outcome. Flames management better be planning on getting this team positioned for a high pick, as it will help the Flames long term. Never picking high and being 'noble' has resulted in zero success for the last 30+ seasons. So I cheer for wins and enjoy them because I am sure that this team is destined for a high pick this year. It is a lot more fun doing that then being upset after a win. If they lose, great - that's the best thing long-term, but I am not happy about it, but simply assuaged. I guarantee that cheering for wins is a lot more fun than cheering for losses, even with a miserable season.
It is not anti-fan to cheer for losses with the expectation of a high pick and success later. It makes it annoying, to be sure. Plus, there is no rule that you can't enjoy the wins later - that's the point of cheering for losses, now, right? Do people who are against a rebuild - especially bottoming-out or 'tanking' - allowed to cheer for the superstars of the future down the road? Of course they are - making an argument contrary to that is just silly.
Cheer for wins, or cheer for losses - whatever floats your boat. Just understand that your cheering has ZILCH to do with the outcome, but coming on here and 'reminding' everyone that they should be doing one or the other is pretty damn annoying already in 28 GDTs and counting.
How about from now on, we just talk about the game itself in the GDT and the PGT, rather than squabble about fandom rules?
It's incredibly annoying. If you want to cheer for a loss like why are you even watching?
Oh no, our young players are scoring. Better insult someone on twitter or something haha
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Can't wait for the Flames to finish 3rd last , appeasng the cheer for losses crowd, then have the 8th place and 6th place teams win the lottery. Then the dialogue can become 'if only the Flames had 4 or 5 more wins they would have been picking 1st or 2nd!' and anyone cheering for losses, not simply accepting when they happen, can suck on the karma.
