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[dino7c]

Yeah, especially in a cap system teams shouldn't be punished for being competitive. If you look on social media at least 1/3 of the league's fans want their team to lose lol. Like what are we even doing?

Its also far easier to tank for years in places where hockey isn't #1. Flames are two months in to their worst start in franchise history and look at us lol.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Sorry, this is BS.

I'd like to see a cup in my lifetime. One doesn't need to cheer for wins this year to be a fan.

No one is keeping this master fan scorecard. Fans cheering for wins on December 2nd in a nothingburger season are no more deserving of wins when they count than the rest of us.

This is what people who are cheering for wins don't understand. The people cheering for losses want a cup eventually, not a few pointless wins in December to hurt your draft standing.

Robyn Regehr, Rhett Warrener, and Mike Commodore are all Flames alumni. They are ALL cheering hard for losses every game. Does that mean they hate the team also? No, they want to see the team win a cup one day. And are tired of watching a mid team.

[devo22]

it's crazy to me to see Nashville at the bottom of the standings. Mind you, there's nothing that suggests to me that Trotz is even a somewhat competent GM, but still, feels like they should be much better.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is what people who are cheering for wins don't understand. The people cheering for losses want a cup eventually, not a few pointless wins in December to hurt your draft standing.

Robyn Regehr, Rhett Warrener, and Mike Commodore are all Flames alumni. They are ALL cheering hard for losses every game. Does that mean they hate the team also? No, they want to see the team win a cup one day. And are tired of watching a mid team.

Everyone wants the team to win a cup

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is what people who are cheering for wins don't understand. The people cheering for losses want a cup eventually, not a few pointless wins in December to hurt your draft standing.

Robyn Regehr, Rhett Warrener, and Mike Commodore are all Flames alumni. They are ALL cheering hard for losses every game. Does that mean they hate the team also? No, they want to see the team win a cup one day. And are tired of watching a mid team.

lol can you just stop saying the same thing 100 times a day, everyone understands I assure you

1. What we cheer for has no effect on the outcome of the game let alone the lottery balls

2. Freaking out about every game like its the difference between a future cup or the 15 pick for eternity can't be healthy...its a Tuesday game in December

For someone so tired of a mid team you aren't handling last place for 2 months very well. Take a chill pill, what we cheer for is irrelevant. An 82 point team won the lottery last year. If they win it means a bunch of our players played well and are better assets, if they lose they are a mm closer to better lottery odds. Its not that deep.

[Strange Brew]

I think the awful start had the team's fans coalesced around bottoming out and getting an elite draft pick.

Now that they are playing better, throw in some rebiggle mumbo jumbo from the POHO and now you see some conflict again.

[dino7c]

no reasonable person thought they were going to win 15 games and score 120 goals or whatever pace they were on

not to mention that would have meant all their assets either trade or future major contributors would be playing terrible and worthless

[Badgers Nose]

Tonight is a trap game. For both teams, LOL.

And support the team any way you want, as long as you support them.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Sorry, this is BS.

I'd like to see a cup in my lifetime. One doesn't need to cheer for wins this year to be a fan.

No one is keeping this master fan scorecard. Fans cheering for wins on December 2nd in a nothingburger season are no more deserving of wins when they count than the rest of us.

You can be a fan however you want, I didn’t mention anything about that. But I do think your view robs you entirely of the joy of sports fandom, which is sad to me.

Let me ask you a question: if you don’t get joy from highs (or at best they feel bittersweet) even in limited amounts (wins, first goals and emerging rookies, great plays, vets giving it their all) and you don’t care about the losses (or actively cheer for them) even in large amounts, why do you care if they win a cup in your lifetime?

Whether you want to acknowledge it or call it BS, a cup win is going to mean a lot more to people who actually enjoy the team and choose to experience every high and low as they should be experienced vs those who just want to checkout and skip to the end. It’s not some scorecard, it’s just a fact that some people are choosing to miss out while others aren’t.

We can still party together as fans when they win the cup. I’m just going to enjoy it more than you could, and neither your nor my approach is going to make any difference in how they get there. It’s purely your loss.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is what people who are cheering for wins don't understand. The people cheering for losses want a cup eventually, not a few pointless wins in December to hurt your draft standing.

Robyn Regehr, Rhett Warrener, and Mike Commodore are all Flames alumni. They are ALL cheering hard for losses every game. Does that mean they hate the team also? No, they want to see the team win a cup one day. And are tired of watching a mid team.

What could I possibly not understand above?

Do you understand that complaining after a loss doesn't effect the outcome that has already happened?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

My head says: "The franchise is rebuilding and needs top talent. We need to bottom out to get an elite draft pick. Lose as many games as possible!"

My heart says: "I really like the players on this team and it sucks to see them lose. I want them to be happy, and they're happiest when they win. Win this game tonight!"

I would say it's cognitive dissonance, but it's really a battle between the heart and the head.

"Tell me where is fancy bred,
Or in the heart or in the head?
How begot, how nourished?
Reply, reply.
It is engender’d in the eyes,
With gazing fed; and fancy dies
In the cradle, where it lies.
Let us all ring fancy’s knell;
I’ll begin it – Ding, dong, bell."

[GioforPM]

The other thing is that, even if the best way to a cup is to draft 1OA, it's still a longshot that this will happen. In other word, the team could do everything that the people cheering losses vigourously want, and still not even get close to a cup. Many teams have tanked and not won a cup because of it. I heard of a team that had 4 1OAs in 6 years and still didn't win a cup. So why not enjoy the things that are good that actually happen, instead of worrying about missing something that probably won't.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The other thing is that, even if the best way to a cup is to draft 1OA, it's still a longshot that this will happen. In other word, the team could do everything that the people cheering losses vigourously want, and still not even get close to a cup. Many teams have tanked and not won a cup because of it. I heard of a team that had 4 1OAs in 6 years and still didn't win a cup. So why not enjoy the things that are good that actually happen, instead of worrying about missing something that probably won't.

Some folks almost need that team to win this year just to show the approach works.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The other thing is that, even if the best way to a cup is to draft 1OA, it's still a longshot that this will happen. In other word, the team could do everything that the people cheering losses vigourously want, and still not even get close to a cup. Many teams have tanked and not won a cup because of it. I heard of a team that had 4 1OAs in 6 years and still didn't win a cup. So why not enjoy the things that are good that actually happen, instead of worrying about missing something that probably won't.

I get the argument, but there is just one franchise in the NHL that has never even had a top 3 pick, let alone a 1st overall. It's understandable that people want to go to the well for once, even if it doesn't bring a cup. It's not like we've had much success without a top pick, either.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The other thing is that, even if the best way to a cup is to draft 1OA, it's still a longshot that this will happen. In other word, the team could do everything that the people cheering losses vigourously want, and still not even get close to a cup. Many teams have tanked and not won a cup because of it. I heard of a team that had 4 1OAs in 6 years and still didn't win a cup. So why not enjoy the things that are good that actually happen, instead of worrying about missing something that probably won't.

"Good" is relative here.

I think for me personally the issue is I don't actually get any joy of this "supposed" good thing that you're talking about.

Winning a game when you sit in 31st and have no hope of contending for a championship this year doesn't feel good to me.

Nothing is guaranteed but I want them to have the best shot at winning a cup, and for that season that means losing games.

Last season when they were in a playoff spot it meant winning games and it made no sense for the people cheering for losses to be cheering for losses then, they were already too far away from the bottom for it to matter.

But this year it's different. They are in the bottom, losing more keeps them there, and to me that is the "good" outcome.

[Monahammer]

I started using my ignore function much more liberally and my experience here has improved dramatically. There are some times when I have entire pages of ignored posts. I only have 4 posters on there, and one was Yoho.

But, I barely ever have to read people bleeting about what makes a good fan or anything like that.

[SemicolonD]

Must lose game. It's funny both sides of the argument need to accept the other chiming in about what they cheer for. For all the people complaining about others cheering for losses it goes both ways. We're on a Flames message board, we can agree everyone here is a hardcore fan regardless lol.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Some folks almost need that team to win this year just to show the approach works.

I think 99.9% of people here would take back to back cup finals and a game 7 over what we currently have

You have a weird definition of “working” for someone who defends the Flames in 100 posts a day. Clearly what we are doing isn’t working and hasn’t for 35 years then if winning the cup is the only measure of “working”

And yet you constantly bring up the Carolina model who has 1 win past round 2 in two decades….

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You can be a fan however you want, I didn’t mention anything about that. But I do think your view robs you entirely of the joy of sports fandom, which is sad to me.

Let me ask you a question: if you don’t get joy from highs (or at best they feel bittersweet) even in limited amounts (wins, first goals and emerging rookies, great plays, vets giving it their all) and you don’t care about the losses (or actively cheer for them) even in large amounts, why do you care if they win a cup in your lifetime?

Whether you want to acknowledge it or call it BS, a cup win is going to mean a lot more to people who actually enjoy the team and choose to experience every high and low as they should be experienced vs those who just want to checkout and skip to the end. It’s not some scorecard, it’s just a fact that some people are choosing to miss out while others aren’t.

We can still party together as fans when they win the cup. I’m just going to enjoy it more than you could, and neither your nor my approach is going to make any difference in how they get there. It’s purely your loss.

This comment is complete bs. Just because someone is cheering for losses so we can finally draft an elite player, doesn't mean they would not enjoy a Stanley Cup win later on.

Posts like this are why some of us get so worked up. Because of this attitude by some posters that cheering for wins (when we already have no shot at playoffs) makes you a better fan.

[Bingo]

I'm not sorting fans on merit.
I'm not saying you can't cheer for a loss (I choose to see it as a silver lining)

I personally can't stand the whining when they do win.

Oh and I'm quietly canvassing to be on Monahammer's ignore list!