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Old 11-25-2025, 04:45 PM   #28341
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Why? To overrule a law for mandatory minimums? This doesn't give criminals any freedom, or shorter sentences, or anything like that. It just gives the decision back to judges, who still have other sentencing guidelines to follow. Essentially by supporting it you are saying you have no faith in our justice system to handle criminals on a case by case basis and that the law is so wrong it must be forced. The justice system must be broken, right? Is our country broken and needs Pierre to save it by overriding charter rights? I guess he must know better than the Supreme Court. Why not approach it from a different angle? To me this does not at all call for the notwithstanding clause, because the alternative isn't just letting child predators do whatever they want.
The Justice Minister wants to introduce a bill to restore mandatory minimums and it should be tabled before the end of the year.

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The federal justice minister says an upcoming bill will propose changes to restore mandatory minimum sentences for the possession and access of child pornography recently struck down by Canada’s top court.

In an interview, Justice Minister Sean Fraser said he supported mandatory minimum penalties for “heinous” crimes, namely those against children.

But he said many such laws were drafted broadly and unintentionally capture situations where they may be too harsh, leaving them vulnerable to constitutional challenges.

“There is a gap that exists today that I believe the government of Canada and Parliament needs to fill by adopting a legislative solution that would ensure that those serious cases of abuse are met with serious penalties, but does provide some opportunity for those circumstances which were not likely contemplated at the time the mandatory minimums were drafted,” he told National Post Friday.

To that end, he said he would table a bill by the end of the year that proposes legislation to restore or ensure the constitutionality of many such penalties that have repeatedly been struck down by courts. That includes those for the possession and access of child sex abuse and exploitation material.
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That is how it’s supposed to work. SCC strikes down a law as unconstitutional and explains why it is so, parliament fixes the law so it’s constitutional. No need for the notwithstanding clause.
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The Justice Minister wants to introduce a bill to restore mandatory minimums and it should be tabled before the end of the year.
The current Justice Minister that was the former Housing Minister that drove that portfolio into the ground? The former Housing Minister that was also the former Immigration Minister who also drove that into the ground?

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Old 11-25-2025, 07:33 PM   #28344
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The current Justice Minister that was the former Housing Minister that drove that portfolio into the ground? The former Housing Minister that was also the former Immigration Minister who also drove that into the ground?
Is that the game we are playing now? So we can talk about how PP was the housing minister that built zero houses.
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Is that the game we are playing now? So we can talk about how PP was the housing minister that built zero houses.
Since when is it the federal government’s job to build houses?
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Since when is it the federal government’s job to build houses?
Didn't the deplorable promise 50,000 houses? lol
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15 years ago? When he was housing Minister?
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15 years ago? When he was housing Minister?
Yes and in the debate Singh said he built like 0.
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Since when is it the federal government’s job to build houses?
What do you think the Federal Housing Minister's job is meant to enable?

"Pierre, you're the Federal Housing Minister, you've built zero homes, what the hell have you been doing?"
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"Yes, you-- wait, why are you saying it like that?"
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"House Minister."
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That is how it’s supposed to work. SCC strikes down a law as unconstitutional and explains why it is so, parliament fixes the law so it’s constitutional. No need for the notwithstanding clause.
Just to add to this, it is common that when the SCC declares a law unconstitutional, they 'suspend' the declaration of invalidity for the express purpose of allowing Parliament to have time to pass new legislation to take its place.

It is a process that has served Canadian's very well for decades.

As a 'from the front lines' example, I filed a brief a couple of weeks ago on whether a client deserved an exemption from the requirement to register as a sex offender. The current legal test in the Criminal Code is a fairly strict and carefully crafted list of criteria that was built by government using the specifics from a prior SCC decision as a blueprint.

In that decision - R v Ndhlovu - through careful and principled analysis, the SCC suspended the effect of the declaration of invalidity for 12 months. A quote from the decision serves as a helpful contrast to the chicken with its head cut off approach that the UCP has suddenly decided is an appropriate way to manage competing fundamental rights and freedoms in our democracy [emphasis added]: https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc...19538/index.do

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Declarations should be suspended when the government demonstrates that “an immediately effective declaration of invalidity would endanger an interest of such great importance that, on balance, the benefits of delaying the effect of that declaration outweigh the cost of preserving an unconstitutional law that violates Charter rights” (G, at para. 117; see also paras. 133, 139 and 156). Declaring s. 490.012 to be of no force or effect immediately would effectively preclude courts from imposing SOIRA orders on any offenders, including those at high risk of recidivism. Granting an immediate declaration could therefore endanger the public interest in preventing and investigating sexual offences committed by high-risk offenders, undermining public safety. Balanced against this consideration is the significance of the rights violation that the suspension would temporarily prolong. Granting a suspension also runs counter to the public’s interest in legislation that complies with the Constitution. On balance, however, the circumstances justify a suspension of the declaration of invalidity for 12 months.

A declaration of invalidity is presumed to operate retroactively (R. v. Albashir, 2021 SCC 48, [2021] 3 S.C.R. 531, at paras. 34 and 38). However, in this case, a retroactive application of the declaration at the conclusion of the suspension could frustrate the compelling public interests that require a period of transition, creating uncertainty and removing the protection that justifies the suspension in the first place (paras. 46, 52 and 72). Specifically, a retroactive declaration would undermine the purpose of the suspension (i.e., ensuring high-risk offenders are registered on SOIRA for public safety). Moreover, a prospective declaration of invalidity would not unduly prejudice offenders who have been registered since 2011 but whose rights under s. 7 are still violated. Those offenders will be able to ask for a personal remedy pursuant to s. 24(1) of the Charter in order to be removed from the registry if they can demonstrate that SOIRA’s impacts on their liberty bears no relation or is grossly disproportionate to the objective of s. 490.012.
Then when the federal government legislates in response to an SCC ruling, the citizen also benefits from a detailed articulation of why and how the government is addressing the situation:

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sj...harte/s12.html

It remains to be seen if the SCC will conclude a preemptive use of the notwithstanding clause is actually itself unconstitutional. But assume for the moment that it does not say that and preemptive declarations are lawful.

In the vast majority of situations, making yourself willfully blind to the careful balancing of rights that a court analysis can provide (based on a full evidentiary record argued by well-informed adversaries) and preemptively wiping out wide swaths of fundamental freedoms and human rights by declaring an 'emergency' is just not smart and entirely unnecessary. It reveals a government whose individual elected members place political expediency above all else, including that they are prepared to openly abuse fellow citizens so they can get whatever political outcomes they want.

To help emphasize my point, when the Alberta government legislated the teachers back to work, they did so not by invoking the notwithstanding clause narrowly so as to only override the 'required' rights of teachers (freedom of association that would back their right to collective bargaining, freedom of peaceful assembly for strike picketing). Instead someone in a copy and paste like fashion just dropped in an override of ALL possible rights and freedoms that section 33 can ever apply to and made sure to indiscriminately include all provincially recognized rights and freedoms as well.

This is the actual section from the Back to School Act:

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3 This Act shall operate notwithstanding

(a) sections 2 and 7 to 15 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms,

(b) the Alberta Bill of Rights, and

(c) the Alberta Human Rights Act.
So why, for instance, would the Act forcing teachers back to school purportedly so kids can be saved from irreparable harm of missing school, have to operate notwithstanding a individual teacher's right to freedom of expression in section 2? To life and liberty in section 7? To be free from unreasonable search and seizure in section 8? What otherwise illegal searches does the government intend to do to enforce this Act?

Why does this Act - which creates offences that can result in financially crippling fines - have to operate notwithstanding an individual's rights to:

- not be arbitrarily detained - section 9
- to be informed of the reason for being detained - section 10(a)
- to retain and instruct counsel without delay - section 10(b)
- to a review of the lawfulness of detention and to be ordered released if the detention is not lawful - section 10(c)
- if charged with an offence to:
- be informed without reasonable delay of the specific offence - section 11(a)
- be tried within a reasonable time - section 11(b)
- not be compelled as a witness against themselves - section 11(c)
- the presumption of innocence and a fair and public tribunal - section 11(d)
- not be denied reasonable bail without just cause - section 11(e)
- not be subjected to cruel and unusual treatment or punishment - section 12
- the right against self-incrimination - section 13
- the right to an interpreter - section 14

As long as the government claims to be acting under the authority of the Back to School Act (and soon to be the series of three transgender rights related laws because they are employing the exact same indiscriminate blanket override of all rights) then an individual cannot bring forward violations of any of the above to be decided by a court of law, and can seek no compensation or remedy for any breaches of the overridden rights.

That is the Alberta that so-called freedom loving libertarian Albertans want to live in?

I much prefer the way the federal government is approaching this issue and will be very interested to see what specific measures they take to comply with the SCC ruling while re-instating mandatory minimums. Presumably there will be a carve-out so that the minimum will not apply to someone within the reasonable hypothetical that the SCC described in its decision.
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What do you think the Federal Housing Minister's job is meant to enable?

"Pierre, you're the Federal Housing Minister, you've built zero homes, what the hell have you been doing?"
PP: "What? Building houses? I'm the House Minister."
"Yes, you-- wait, why are you saying it like that?"
PP: "Like what?"
"House Minister."
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What do you think the Federal Housing Minister's job is meant to enable?

"Pierre, you're the Federal Housing Minister, you've built zero homes, what the hell have you been doing?"
PP: "What? Building houses? I'm the House Minister."
"Yes, you-- wait, why are you saying it like that?"
PP: "Like what?"
"House Minister."
PP: "Because I'm the House Minister?"
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At a housing announcement in Hamilton on Monday, Trudeau said the issue is mostly provincial jurisdiction.

"I'll be blunt as well — housing isn't a primary federal responsibility. It's not something that we have direct carriage of," he said.

"But it is something that we can and must help with."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...0home%20prices.
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Old 11-26-2025, 02:19 PM   #28353
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What's that last sentence in the quote say?
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Poilievre has pledged to withhold federal infrastructure funding to municipalities that block housing developments.
Sounds like Pierre would be for holding funding back for places like Calgary and blanket rezoning. Which is interesting, considering it sounds like it is mostly Conservative Calgarians against blanket rezoning.
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What's that last sentence in the quote say?
You're gonna have to wait while he goes and fetches an adult.

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I was surprised it actually completed the image for me with just a single prompt. It took a lot more prompting finesse to make it generate the Muppets version of Jack Layton without aborting halfway through due to content guardrails.

Then again, an earlier model was all too happy to create Steven Guilbeault falling out of Nakatomi Plaza when he was reassigned away from the Environment Minister portfolio.

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Then again, an earlier model was all too happy to create Steven Guilbeault falling out of Nakatomi Plaza when he was reassigned away from the Environment Minister portfolio.
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I'm not sure how the court can pre-emptively say how it will rule at the start of a years long litigation process. But apparently the BC government was given some kind of assurance and so they choose to not serve or notify the landowners. And they're now saying the court lied?

Is that a real thing?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1985451142147686433


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...sion-9.6991947

Proposed class action claims government misled property owners in light of Cowichan Tribes decision

The proposed class action alleges the federal and B.C. governments failed to “properly defend the rights of property owners” caught up in Justice Barbara Young's ruling, which awarded Quw'utsun (Cowichan) Nation Aboriginal title to between 300 and 325 hectares of land just east of the Massey Tunnel, where the nation once had a traditional village.

The suit seeks relief — potentially for all private property owners in B.C. — in several ways, including general damages “for loss of property value and mental distress,” along with “restitution or disgorgement of taxes and fees collected under misrepresented conditions.”

The ministry said it recognizes that the court's decision has caused "real uncertainty."
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